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« on: February 14, 2007, 04:11:59 PM »

I had the pleasure of meeting my two best friends here in Holland for lunch today.  Add to this that one of them has THE MOST ADORABLE little boy and I was in 7th heaven!  The fact that he was a little fussy did not seem to cloud my goo-goo eyes nor wipe the grin from my face merely from his presence!

** Geez DJ just get to the point already! **

Okay, one of my friends owns the most beautiful vintage/antique style platinum ER.  The center diamond is STUNNING and is enough to make me rethink my view of RBs - maybe I DO need one!   LOL!  Anyway, it turns out that she has lost one of the side stones so I took a look at it and I was a bit flabbergasted (there's a good english word for y'all!).

The stone that is missing was set into a small milgrained bezel.  Yes!  A bezel and a platinum one at that!  The ring is just 4 years old.  How is this possible?  My first reaction was that it wasn't set properly in the first place and that she should take it up with the jeweller who made the ring.  On closer inspection, it looks like another of the stones does not have enough metal surrounding it - it looks to me that part of the girdle is exposed or dang near to it.

What do you all think?  She does not recall banging it but even that shouldn't remove a bezel set stone.  I think she should call the original jeweller and insist he repair it free of charge and check the other stones too.  I'm really interested in what you guys think - does she have any comeback on this?

Here's some pics.

One final thing, the ring was engraved all the way around but the pattern is very worn in the back.  Is this typical with 4 years of wear for platinum?  I thought it would hold much longer but I bow to y'alls wealth of knowledge!   notworthy

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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2007, 05:10:50 PM »

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Ok, first off the ring is ASTOUNDING!!!!!!!! WOW!!!!

I'm not sure on either of your questions:( But I was also shocked that one of the diamonds fell out of the bezel!!!

As for the bottom of the shank being all worn down after 4 years? That REALLY surprised me! I would have thought that it would have taken on a patina and not have worn down like it did.  I mean, immediately I thought of the antique estate pieces and they, after NUMEROUS years have withstood the test of time!!! Sad

I would like to think that the person who set the stone is responsible?? The ring looks to be in great condition!!
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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2007, 05:52:01 PM »

Thanks Snooper!  You should see it in real life - it is jaw dropping!

I said the same thing about the shank.  You see all these true antique pieces that only look like that after decades of wear.  Maybe I'm just thinking of bands that wear uniformly as they spin.  I'll bet Itbit would have some great insight into this.  ITBIT?!?!

I was thinking too that the stone could possibly have broken and fallen out but how unlikely is that with a diamond that's set at such an angle that it would be near impossible to hit it hard enough.  I really think it wasn't set right.  HELP!
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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2007, 09:50:50 AM »

Just curious.. does your friend use an ultrasonic sound cleaner?  Those can and do have a way of "shaking" diamonds out of thier seats.

And I must say, that to my untrained eye, those don't really look like full bezels. I don't really see where the gold is resting over the edges of the stone like a full bezel should. Huh?

If it was an inferior setting job, then the jeweler should be responsible for replacing the stone - and checking the rest of them!

I was once told that there are "faux bezels" in many current mountings. Where there is a "circle" of metal the diamond sits in, but there are actually really tiny little blobs of metal (like mini prongs) holding the stone in place and you'd need a loupe to see them. This type is supposedly less expensive and less time consuming than true bezels for each individual diamond. But is also less secure.

I don't know if that is what your friends are.. then the little diamonds are probably not as secure as she thinks they are. Huh?
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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2007, 10:21:28 AM »

Yikes DL.

I louped it yesterday and those are certainly supposed to be bezels - no small metal knobs.  Some stones are bead set but there's 8 total bezel set. 

I'm leaning towards having her just take it in to the jeweller she trusts and have him give it a complete check.  It's only a small stone so if that's the only problem, it may be worth just paying to have it fixed out of pocket.

Hmmmm.....
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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2007, 10:27:25 AM »

WOWZER DJ! You're right. That ring's JAW DROPPING!!!!!!!! What's the size of the center RB?

Maybe the diamonds aren't truly bezel set like Rhonda said. I just can't see how that could have fallen out so easily........unless it's just poor workmanship. And I can't believe the engraving is already wearing off. Four years seems way too soon to me too. Is your friend hard on rings???

My guess is poor workmanship. I'd take it back to the jeweler where she bought it & demand they fix it...........unless she doesn't trust them with her jewelry anymore.

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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2007, 11:09:29 AM »

There really seems to be no metal covering the diamonds around the edges.  I would definately have her do the first step...and see what her jeweler says.   I don't think it is uncommon for the engraving on the back of the shank to be worn.......even after 4 years.  Remember, platinum may be a strong metal...but it is also very soft!   Also, it is the back of the shank which rubs the most while doing activities.      The settings on the top of the shank....is what I question the most...really it seems like it may be a case of "faulty" craftmanship.  Also, look at the way the bezels have a curve to them?   The setting is just STUNNING......but maybe whoever made this setting couldn't "forsee" that the design of it may not hold up to it's everlasting beauty.      I am intrigued to see what the jeweler says.   If it can't be fixed,  I sure hope she has some kinda recourse...or can get another EXPERT opinion.   ~Ronda
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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2007, 03:09:14 PM »

Good point about the US cleaner!!! Didn't think of that!!! I really don't have any more advice other than what's been given.

But can I just say how beautiful the patina is on the platinum!?!?!?!  hello2
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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2007, 03:41:10 PM »

Oh I missed that point Snooper!  No, she doesn't have an ultrasound.  She said she just uses a little Windex to clean it regularly.

Thanks for all your wonderful replies - I love you guys!  Kiss  She's been checking in too and I know she appreciates all your opinions!
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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2007, 08:47:41 PM »

Ohh, i've got nothing helpful to add to what has been said already, but I just had to comment on how gorgeous that ring is!!

My gut feeling is that i'd want the entire ring checked out by a professional.....not the people that set it originally.  That could be a little harsh.....maybe the original setter deserves a chance to rectify the problem. 

Love how platinum looks like that - sort of soft and aged...like its been around for a while.  Great ring. 
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« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2007, 07:31:30 AM »

Amy, she was unsure of the size when I talked to her.  I think it's around .75-.90ct but it could easily be a full carat too.  I haven't been around RBs consistantly for a long time and I have lost the ability to eyeball somewhat.  It is BLINDING though.  Honestly, the girl did real good.  I'm wondering if it has some fluorescence as it has that 'blue-white' thing going on.  What do you think from the pics?

Good points Ronda.  She is going to hold onto the ring until the summer when she is back in the States and then take it to the family jeweller who sold her the center stone for his opinion on the setting.  I too have some concerns that the ring perhaps was not made to last in the long haul but it will be so good for her to hear an expert opinion.  Of course, I think we're all diamond experts but I digress.....!!! Grin

I don't think that's harsh Ruby, probably just sensible given the circumstances!

Rhonda, I am going to give it another good hard look with my loupe next time I get together with my friend - just to make sure I didn't miss something with the bezels.  Thanks for that tip!

Anyway, hopefully, this will be a simple fix with no further problems.  Keep your fingers crossed and I will update you all when I know anything.  Thanks so much for all your comments. You came up with so many things I hadn't thought of.
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« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2007, 09:25:24 AM »

DJ,

Yes, I'm betting it has some fluorescence. It's very white, but there is a bluish cast in some of the pics. They make little black light keychains that you can buy. There are some on Ebay. Maybe you guys could test it to see if it fluoresces. I love fluorescent diamonds!!

It'd be smart to have her wait & take it to a jeweler she trusts......and have them do a complete check. See what their opinion is. If there are other problems, hopefully they'll be able to fix them.

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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2007, 12:24:13 PM »

You know, my son has a little blacklight keychain round here somewhere.........hopefully I can find it and I'll check it out next time!  I'll have to get her to find the paperwork - I'm itching to see what it says.
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« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2007, 12:39:33 PM »

Hi DJ, though the style of the ring is very beautiful, I think the fact that after 4 years stones are falling out is a sign of poor workmanship.  If possible, I'd bring it back to the jeweler who sold it to her and see if he could remedy the problem (for free would be nice)  I wear my grandmother's platinum ring that is about 100 years old, a ring she wore all the time and me almost so, and the little stones have never fallen out or gotten loose.

If she wears another ring on the other hand, especially a platinum one, handwashing is enough to have the engraving quickly wear down in that time from the bottoms of the rings rubbing.

About ultrasonics--I've gotten leery of having jewelers use them on my rings, many of which have multiple small stones.  (You know how you're offered free cleaning when you go into most nice jewelry stores)  I've started to say no, after noticing loose stones where there weren't any before.  With my hard well water at home, my newly cleaned ring doesn't look so clean very fast, so now I see it more as a waste and a risk to have my rings cleaned.  So, I do it at home with a child's soft toothbrush and mild liquid soap and my jewelry looks great.

Please keep us posted, DJ, on what happens with your friend's beautiful ring.   Good luck to her!  bunny
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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2007, 12:48:37 PM »

Thanks Geena - I really value your advice as I know you have a wealth of experience and knowledge.  That's quite telling about your Grandmother's ring (very cool too by the way!) and I truly hope this turns out to be an easy fix that was just a freak issue.

She doesn't wear a ring on the other hand.  In fact, she's not that much of a jewelry person - I know!  The shock and horror of it!  teehee!  It's very interesting to see that pattern worn like that.  The ring is just stamped PLAT.  I was hoping it might be marked with the alloy they used, to try and grasp a reason for the quick wear.  Still, the stone and setting is of far more concern I suppose.

Thanks so much for your response Geena.  I very much appreciate it.  Kiss
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« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2007, 12:51:45 PM »

DJ, I was thinking about how the engraving has worn down, and the only thing I can think of for a reason MAY be that it was a "shallow" engraving to begin with. I mean if the engraving was barely below the surface, then it stands to reason that it would wear down much sooner than something that had deeper engraving.  It could be another sign of the "get it done quick" type manufacture Huh? Especially on the bottom area. Other than that, I don't know why it would wear down paltinum so quickly.
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« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2007, 01:05:02 PM »

That's an excellent point, Rhonda.  Another thing I will take a closer look at next time too.  Hmmm, this is all pointing to the workmanship.
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