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« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2008, 10:45:30 AM »

Bless you Tinkette.
Yes I can indentify with lots of things you say. Same as yourself, without going into too much detail, my husband knew he was dying and couldn`t handle it ( but which of us could ? ), he too became very angry, bitter, resentful and took it out on those of us who cared for him. Namely me and my youngest son but we took it on the chin, dealt with it and forgave it, because we loved him.
You`ve had such tough times and now it`s time to smile and live a life full of sunshine. You deserve it.
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« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2008, 10:47:54 AM »

OMG... I think I am going to cry!  I am totally astonished at the adversity that both you and Awestruck have gone through.  I admire your outlook on life and finding someone that has helped to pull you through!    You both are incredible women and have raised incredible children!!  
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« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2008, 10:53:05 AM »

Sorry to hear this, Trinkette. You've really been through the mill haven't you?  I'm sorry for your loss and your struggle, and I'm beyond impressed at how you've survived.

I'm so glad that you and your son are happy and settled now. This wedding is going to be perfect, the icing on the cake and the living proof of happy endings! Plus, you get to pick out a wedding band. What more could you ask for?

Any progress with the planning?
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« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2008, 10:58:02 AM »

Oh yes we want ALL details  Grin
Dress, shoes, flowers, cake and of course the RINGS.
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« Reply #29 on: January 02, 2008, 11:38:18 AM »

Ahhh, the planning!  1087

Honestly, since we've both been married before, the wedding itself doesn't seem as critical as it did the first time around.  Perhaps age and wisdom has helped us to get our priorities right this time!  I would like to create a comfortable reception party where everyone is relaxed and there is wonderful music.

Guests for wedding and reception:
I'm still torn between: 1) a teenie-weenie gathering consisting of David's father, daughter, son, daughter-in-law and granddaughter, and my son, my father (who may not be able to make the trip due to health), my brother, sister-in-law and their young son (this is my ENTIRE family) – basically one step away from eloping, which is not totally out of the picture, btw; 2) Those just listed plus about 15-25 more family and very close friends (mostly his).  My two closest girlfriends are on this list, but they live quite far away and given that it is winter, travel would be difficult for them; 3) Then, there is another slightly more extended list, that includes some of my son's friends and families (afterall, it is a FAMILY affair) and a couple of other of David's distant relatives and a few local acquaintances of mine. No more than 50 people total. As of now, option 2 will probably be it.  But, we'll invite quite a few more than the number who will actually be able to attend, I'm sure.

Ceremony and Reception Venue(s):
Either a small, local country church just down the road with extraordinary views and wonderful "karma;" or a Central Virginia "landmark" property, like James Madison's Montpielier, for example; or a country inn. If we go with the church, we need to find a reception area, which means travel between ceremony and reception.  The closest is a lovely German (huh?) restaurant about 5 miles down the road.  It has great ambiance, food, and staff.  BUT, as we don't attend this particular church, I'm a little unsure about "barging" in. If we choose a "landmark" property, it would have to be catered; and, most likely, a country inn could handle both wedding and reception. For these two, the local sherriff is a good friend and next-door neighbor and, over-and-over-again during the last year, he has invited himself to oversee our wedding.  He'd be the man for a secular ceremony!

Honeymoon:
David has a seldom-used timeshare in Hawaii and we have a trip planned for Easter time.  So, we'll take just a few days to ourselves for the "official" honeymoon after we're married. Right now, I'm thinking about the beautiful Hay-Adams hotel in Washington, DC. We can do a little sightseeing, visit the Smithsonian, stuff like that. Then, in a few weeks, all THREE of us will make the Hawaii trip (can't have my son miss out on THAT!). But, I'm open to ANY suggestions regarding our little honeymoon.

So, this week, I'm in the process of seeing what is available, what things cost, and all that good stuff.  I haven't attacked ceremony specifics, photography, food, cake (Mrs. M., the offer is still open!), or a dress (at 40 pounds overweight and VERY generous up-top, so to speak, the dress has become quite an issue for me).  tantrum2

SO MUCH to decide...
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« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2008, 11:39:34 AM »

OMG, look how much I wrote... what a blowhard.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #31 on: January 02, 2008, 11:52:25 AM »

The dress was an issue for me too. I don't tend to wear dresses and never think that they flatter. The best solution I found was going to a really really good dressmaker. She sketched, draped and pinned fabric until we found what hangs best on me. No issues about standard sizing, modifying existing designs etc, she just made it to fit my dimensions and tastes. It was perfect. Turned out to be good fun, too. It took her a fortnight to make, which is about one sixtieth of the time bridal salons take to order in a stock dress and tailor it to fit.

Best thing is that she now has my measurements, body type, fabric and style preferences etc written down and sketched. If I want a dress/ suit/ whatever, I phone up with a rough description of required garment and in a couple of weeks, it arrives. I detest shopping, so this is a good arrangement for me. I just wish she'd learn to make maternity jeans.
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« Reply #32 on: January 02, 2008, 12:05:50 PM »


In my son's case, it was bittersweet because my husband's brain tumor had made him very aggressive and mean-spirited, and we didn't know that he had a tumor until just weeks before he died.  After he died, my son's immediate memories were mostly of his father "yelling at everybody."

Man, Trinkette--this brought back a flood of memories that I have long surpressed. My heart goes out to your little guy.

My father died when I was a teenager. He was sick for the last 10 years of his life. My earliest memories of my father was a man with the patience of Job, rarely yelled at us and his four boys were his pride and joy. He was a strong, muscular man, played semi professional ball and was every kids vision of a dream father. He had many friends, was always the life of the partyand loved life. Family was everything to him. I remember always saying "that's my Dad" and being so proud.

When he got sick, all this changed. He had uremic poisoning from renal disease and because it was slow onset, I had forgotten the man he really was. His personality changed and he began to have a very short fuse and became mean spirited, as you put it. I remember my mother consoling me after a really bad beating. She told me that my father loved me but he was sick. At that age I didn't believe it. I thought it was me. I even remember hating him at the time. I know that sounds strong, but I couldn't wrap my mind around the whole illness thing. Subconscioulsy, it was easier for me to think that the beatings were deliberate as opposed to my Dad facing death and life without him.

After he died, I had a tremendous amount of guilt--so much so that he came to me in a dream to tell me that he was okay and that I shouldn't feel guilty about anything. He told me he loved me. To this day, I don't know if that was really him or if it was my mind playing tricks on me. In fact, he kept saying to me in the dream that when I repeat this to others they won't believe me but that I had to believe it was true. He also said that the only way he could come back to talk to me was in a dream.  I woke from the dream and cried for 6 hours straight--I didn't cry at the funeral.

So, now you guys really know I'm crazy-huh?
Anyhow, I am so happy that your son has David. He sounds like a great man and the perfect father figure.
Sorry to be such a downer on this happy thread--but your story Trinkette does have a happy ending after all. Right?
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« Reply #33 on: January 02, 2008, 12:06:47 PM »

Wish I`d thought of that Jen. We arranged our wedding in just 11 weeks and yes everybody thought I was pregnant.
About 4 weeks before the date I still hadn`t thought about what to wear. My Mother was insistant her daughter would marry in traditional garb but I was all for hot pants and knee length boots ( it was 1973 ) but I didn`t have the heart to give her more grey hairs than she already had.
In the end I rushed into a Manchester bridal shop, tried on just 2 wedding dresses, chose the one which look less like a lace tablecloth, wore it for the half hour church ceremony and then changed into something more comfortable for the rest of the day. The photographer had to run to keep up with me so he could take the required photographs of me resembling a combination of the Virgin Mary / Barbie / a Christmas Tree !
Oh how I wish I`d held out for the hotpants ....
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« Reply #34 on: January 02, 2008, 12:13:02 PM »

ROFL! Hotpants would have been sooo cool!
My mother was quite daring. She got married in a fairly traditional white lace shift dress and coat. Traditional up to a point.

The point being the end of the hem, just above mid thigh! She looked fantastic in the photos.
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« Reply #35 on: January 02, 2008, 12:16:27 PM »

Ah but your Mother didn`t have MY Mother as her Mother lol.
MY Mother would have made her wear a vest and would have stitched another 2 ft of fabric to her dress hem !
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« Reply #36 on: January 02, 2008, 12:22:39 PM »

I'm laughing out loud because the only reason that didn't happen was that my mother didn't let her mother see the dress until it was too late to change it! (ie, she was in the church). My granny was the original prude. You know how some people don't approve of sex before marriage? Well, she wasn't sure if she approved of it afterwards either! Grin

Ironically, in her young days, she was a bit of a shocker herself. She was a flapper in the 1920s. Her father once told her that she could ride her new motorbike "over my dead body."

In the end, that's pretty much what she did!
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« Reply #37 on: January 02, 2008, 12:50:45 PM »

Mrs. M, great deal!  I'm afraid that I'll have to go the dressmaker route (better get on it soon!) or go up to the Washington DC area and spend a little fortune...

HOWEVER, my experiences with dressmakers have NOT been the best.  I have a few wedding-related stories that would scare you away from dressmakers FOREVER! One story, when I was a bridesmaid, is actually pretty hilarious... (if you want to hear it, I'll post it, but it is LONG).

DJM, I'm sorry about your unhappy history with your Father.  But, at least now you know that it was NOT you and that he really was very ill.  As difficult as it all was, you are a stronger and more compassionate parent and husband today. He loved you.

Also, DJM, I'm sure that it WAS your father in your "dream." I've had many incidences like that. The most recent involved my Grandmother and Grandfather.  There is NO DOUBT that my Grandmother was "with" me for quite awhile after my husband died, and during my transition from New England to here.  It was wierd, but, she was HERE.  Right in front and above me... her "feeling," "essence," "presence," "soul," "spirit," – whatever you want to call it, was crystal clear to me.

Understand, there was NO reason for me to move here.  When I first began looking to move from New England, I had never been to Virginia before. I had no family here, and just one acquaintance.  But, I KNEW this was where I was supposed to go.

I first met David, for moments only, on a real estate hunt before I moved here.  At the time, I felt a little thump on my head.  Like a tap. Very distinct. Although I met Daivd briefly, he was JUST a man in a real estate office, and I didn't see him for many months after that, for some reason, I remembered the "thump" feeling. And, my Grandmother was with me everywhere.  Then, one night I awoke after a dream about my Grandfather.  When I was little, he used to "thump" me on the head with the back of his ring if I'd been naughty.  He'd probably done it two or three times. Tops.  He did it inmy dream. That THUMP was the EXACT feeling that I'd gotten when I met David.  Then, a few weeks after David and I realized that we were on SOME sort of lifelong course, I couldn't feel my Grandmother around me anymore.  I tried.  She was gone. I realize that some people will think that I "imagined" her to help me though a difficult time, but that is not my style.  And, I have many other experiences like that to bounce that sort of theory. Plus, there were several other strange occurances about my moving here, I won't go in to it all now.

Back to dresses: thanks to a DRESSMAKER (a-hem), before my first wedding, I was out purchasing an outfit for my Rehersal dinner just an hour before the dinner...
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« Reply #38 on: January 02, 2008, 12:51:54 PM »

DJM... oh the memories that you have suppressed.   I often have  had dreams that  seems so real that have made me cry for hours.   I absolutely do not think you are crazy.   Having your dad come to you in a dream is probably what you needed so that you wouldn't carry the guilt or suppress those feelings that you have had long after your father's death.   I am so sorry.  He sounds like a great man.    
From what you , T, and Lynne have said....one's illness can really change one's vitallity to that of a person we are not use to seeing.   It helps me understand my dad's grumpiness since his recent illnesses/pain.    I will try to be more patient with it.     Thanks for sharing everyone.  It really is good to get it "off your chest"!!
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« Reply #39 on: January 02, 2008, 12:57:42 PM »

I'd have to say, that depending upon the illness, it can definitely change a person's personality all together.  Plus, there is so much that we don't understand about the human brain and chemistry.  For example, there are a host of "psychological" conditions that lay undiagnosed or even dormant until age or stress become a factor... people DO change.  LJ, just remember that you are not Superwoman.  Give yourself the same amount of patience and understanding that you give your Dad and others.  You are not expected to have all the answers, to be perfect all the time, and you are not alone...
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« Reply #40 on: January 02, 2008, 12:59:37 PM »

L J you can chat to me anytime you feel you just want to explode, cry, swear or have a good moan. I`m a good listener .....
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« Reply #41 on: January 02, 2008, 01:04:35 PM »

How cool to know that your grandparents were watching over you like that, Trinkette. They must love you very much!

As for the dressmaker, the downside to the plan is that you have to have a really, really good one or it becomes traumatic. My bridesmaids dresses were made by the same person at the same time as my dress and she got a bit carried away with the boning in the bodices. My best friend tells me that the dress had independent movement and by the end of the evening, she was holding onto it for support when she got unsteady on her feet.

She still wears it to formal events, because it was evening dress style. She assures me that it still has a life of its own and that between wearings, it wanders round the house and straightens out her closets. Either the dress really was amazing or it's left mental scars...
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« Reply #42 on: January 02, 2008, 03:22:31 PM »

hi guys, what an amazing thread.
djm's story was quite incredible, but I can relate.
I lost my dad when I was 6 -- -- a bitter pill to swallow. I suppose I've always felt that he is on my shoulder watching what I'm doing.

We recently found an old film that had a few minutes of my dad in it.

Watching this sent chills down my spine. A lot of people that knew him told me that I have reminded them of him.  This makes me very proud

  I'm so happy Trinkette seems to really have found a great spot for her son.  And he sounds like he's responding in an amazing fashion.

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« Reply #43 on: January 02, 2008, 03:25:56 PM »

Wow David you look SO much like your Dad. Yes he would certainly be proud of you that`s for sure. Such a special moment you`ve shared with us. Thank you.
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« Reply #44 on: January 02, 2008, 03:40:33 PM »

Wow David!! You do look a lot like your father.  That made me all teary eyed!!! Thank you for sharing this Smiley
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« Reply #45 on: January 02, 2008, 03:47:06 PM »

What a good looking man! And with such a happy face! I am sure he was well known for his good sense of humor and happy laughter.

Thank you for sharing. 
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« Reply #46 on: January 02, 2008, 03:48:09 PM »

David, what a priceless piece of film. How lucky you are to have found it.  Yes, you do seem to have the same essence as your Dad... physically, and from what little I've seen, even more in the way of mannersims and character.  Thank you for letting us take a peek at this wonderful memento.

Do you remember your Dad?
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« Reply #47 on: January 02, 2008, 04:23:40 PM »

What a wonderful thing to have found, David. You really do take after your father! Thanks for sharing such a precious little moment in time with us. Looked like a very joyful day. How lovely that this shows your father laughing and happy.
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« Reply #48 on: January 02, 2008, 04:33:31 PM »

A chip off the ol' block indeed!  Sigh...it is sad that some you have lost your parents so early on in life.  They seemed so young too!
Thanks for sharing that David!  The bride reminds me of my husband's mother.   She died when my DH was 8. Embarrassed
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« Reply #49 on: January 02, 2008, 04:49:40 PM »

Soooooooooooooo, um, David... do YOU kiss all the gals like that?  Wink
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