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SaoriViola
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« on: August 02, 2010, 10:51:08 PM »

here is my sister's most recent purchase from an estate sale. 

my sister thought they were from the 1800's but the jeweler who checked thought they're 50-60 years old.  they are solid sterling silver and have tiny diamond chips all over and strange pear/kite/shieldy cut diamonds that look like they're face down maybe in the center. 
the diamonds are not cleaned because my sister didn't want to lose the patina and it may be hard to see all of them in the scaled down image.
anybody have any thoughts on these earrings?  i'm looking at you OMC, knower of all things jewelry.


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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2010, 11:07:53 PM »

Those are cool.  Do you have a diamond tester? 
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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2010, 03:55:17 AM »

Bear in mind that "patina" in non-Japanese silver does not include the tarnished layer - that has no value in and of itself, unless one happens to like the colour/contrast. The bigger problem in cleaning them is that the stones - whatever they are - are set with a closed back, and the metal will have tarnished under the stone as well.

As to what they are - they seem closest in style and shape to Indian jewellery; perhaps a souvenir purchase by the original owners. They are rather crude castings, with some patching in places, then chased and engraved on top. The stones may well be rose cut diamonds, but could also be quartz or sapphire. Tough to say without close inspection and possibly same tools. On balance, I would tend to agree with the jeweller that they aren't quite as old as they may seem initially, but it's really difficult to come up with a sure answer with the info you have.
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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2010, 10:03:40 AM »

thanks OMC, my sister agrees that they are probably indian, the jeweler she took them too did test them for diamonds, and they are.  she knows the patina is valueless, but just likes the look.  the jeweler also said he believed they were cast pieces.  she prefers old old rose cut/mine cut diamonds to modern cuts, and most of the jewelry she buys is old-edwardian, victorian, etc. i think because of the cut of the diamonds she thought they were older than the earrings probably are.
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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2010, 10:14:34 AM »

It's possible that the diamonds were recycled, but I have seen recently mined and cut diamonds in Brazil (and from India) that look very similar.
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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2010, 10:24:00 AM »

thanks OMC, i'll let her know, i think she'll still love the earrings anyway, but she might have paid a bit more than she would have liked...
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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2010, 10:26:23 AM »

next up is her ruby and opal harem ring she bought at an antique store for a song, it was missing one ruby which she replaced.  it's 18kt, she thinks from Thailand in the 1960's. some of the opals are cracked, but from this pic they look amazing.  pretty cool right?


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« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2010, 10:30:10 AM »

WOW!  Those opals have some fire to them!  Very, very nice!
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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2010, 11:00:24 AM »

Indeed!  It's gorgeous and worth refurbishing! 

The cracked black opals can be replaced, but it would take some searching to come up with a similar amount of color and flash.  Do you know if the opals are boulder (natural potch on the back) or gel set with an open or closed back?  I'm thinking closed, which can increase the observed color, rather like a duplet, and makes finding replacements a little less difficult.
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« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2010, 11:29:50 AM »

good questions auntie dammit, i dunno, these two are the only pics my sister sent me.  i think you might be right though about the closed back, they show so much color and flash.
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« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2010, 12:04:35 PM »

Those opals are soo cool!  Cracked or not, I really like them.
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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2010, 02:02:51 PM »

here is a really cool (1920's?) ring of 10kt gold and created rubies.  i believe this is another estate sale find.


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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2010, 02:06:03 PM »

He he - who needs "natural"?
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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2010, 02:18:54 PM »

That is awesome!  I don't care if they are created or not.  That is a neat ring!
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« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2010, 02:19:26 PM »

she says the stones are much prettier than in the picture, and do better inside than in sunlight.  weird.
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« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2010, 02:20:45 PM »

yay, squigs likes it.  Tongue to u OMC.  Wink  i don't know if i can tell the difference btwn created precious/semi-precious stones and natural.
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« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2010, 02:29:16 PM »

Why are you sticking your tongue out to me? Smiley I was saying exactly the same thing - synthetic rubies (and sapphires, and emeralds) are in fact usually much nicer than their natural correspondents, whereas I don't think the same applies to diamonds, which at best are "as beautiful as", although cheaper.
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« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2010, 02:35:25 PM »

OMC I am with you on what you are saying.  Though IMO sapphires can fall into the category as "as beautiful as" and just cheaper.  Emeralds in particular are hard to find a good natural one.  Rubies are a shot in the dark too.  My grandmother's birthstone was rubies and I saw natural and created in her collection.  One of my favorite rings of hers was a created ruby.

This setting is just so cool.  I love the little etchings around the whole thing.
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« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2010, 03:35:25 PM »

ohh interesting, are they nicer because they don't have as many flaws?  can a layman tell the difference btwn a really good created vs. a natural precious/semi-precious stone? 

no worries OMC, i just like sticking my tongue out :-P  Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2010, 06:31:49 PM »

All synthetics are in general "top colour", whereas most natural stones are not, of course. In addition, normally included stones such as emerald and ruby are flawless when synthesized - and therein lies the main clue to the stone's origin.

Is it easy to tell? It depends. In general, not for certain without at least a loupe, although when you consider that a natural ruby like the one you have posted, with "perfect" colour and clarity, would be worth several tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands per carat, the chances of having one set in a 10k ring are not very high.

Any totally eye-clean emerald is suspicious just because it is eye clean.

Sapphires, as clgwli noted, are in general better quality in nature (or if you want to look at it another way, top colour, clean sapphires are a lot more common than emeralds or rubies or alexandrites of comparable colour and clarity grades). However again, finding a 10 ct perfect blue sapphire in a sterling silver ring is indicative of something being amiss.

Once one learns how to recognise them, "old" synthetic rubies and sapphires (popular in the 1910 - 1930 period) are relatively easy to spot, but definitive identification requires a loupe and some expertise.

Some recent synthetics are really difficult to distinguish from top quality natural stones, to the point that to reassure the jewellery industry and its consumers the manufacturers have sometimes agreed to add dopants that are uniquely present in the synthetic stone, facilitating identification. However detecting the dopant requires sophisticated spectrographic equipment, and it is not something a layman or even a professional can do "on the spot". Once again, the most evident clues are likely to come from dissonance between the stone and its environment (owner and/or setting).
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« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2010, 07:34:10 PM »

Cool stuff...
I'm learning here too OMC. Your knowledge on this type of stuff is impressive- mine is mainly practical....I had a few impressions- maybe incorrect....
1) are you sure they can't synthesize stones with imperfection? I had the impression it's possible
2) I have seen some purportedly natural African Emeralds which are relatively clear- compared to Columbian Emeralds - which are heavily included... I suppose we should have GIA's done if it comes up again.....
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« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2010, 07:46:17 PM »

After OMC's reply what can I say?

Honestly looking at the stones and knowing what was affordable by the family, it as really easy to tell which was created and which was not.  The created were very clear compared to the others.  Particularly with the ruby the created were more of a deep red than the naturals that seemed to have traces of pink in them.  So personally the only reason why I could tell the natural from created was because what was affordable to us as a family would never be that good of quality if that makes sense.

I've looked at a ton of sapphires as well (DH's birthstone) but again it's purely anecdotal stories there.  I've been rather impressed with the created sapphires.  In some cases I've like the created more than some naturals.  Not to say that all naturals are bad, but it's been easier locally to find good looking created vs natural.

I'm in awe at what OMC does know.  Truly amazes me with your knowledge there!
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« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2010, 08:41:39 PM »

Interesting stuff.

These days, the gem industry is really "on guard" against new and almost impossible-to-tell synthetics and treatments. For some experts, it is a full-time job developing new methods to identify new, heretofore unknown treatments. And, the expertise and scientific equipment needed to keep up with the advances in synthetics and treatments gets more and more sophisticated all the time. There is a very real fear in the industry that, eventually, the fakes  and treated stones will become so good that it really will be impossible to distinguish natural stones from synthetic stones. The consequences for the industry could be quite staggering.

A friend of mine, a gem cutter who used to teach at GIA, says that he purposely leaves discreet inclusions, or "finger prints" in his stones, even when he could cut them to be flawless (of course, most would be smaller too) so that there will never be a question regarding the authenticity of his gems. Also, there are some gem species/materials that he will not touch these days because the treated stones and fakes are so difficult to distinguish (when he is on the fly and purchasing).

I've really learned to appreciate the "finger prints" of natural gems.
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« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2010, 08:49:17 PM »

For what it is worth, I am learning to "see" and "read" other colored gemstones differently from the way I do diamonds and colored diamonds.
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« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2010, 11:22:57 PM »

really interesting everyone, thank you! 
i was at an estate sale the other day and the nicest piece of jewelry there was a 2.43 ct round ruby in a really ugly 14k yellow gold ring with .6ctw round side diamonds offset from each other.  they had an appraisal from a local jewelry store from 1979 that called it a "natural ruby" and appraised it for $2,600 back then.  they were asking $650 for the ring and i was tempted, because the ruby was a really pretty deep red, but i didn't know anything about judging what a good ruby is.  i've decided not to regret not getting it, but i do remember seeing a lot of very pink rubies in jewelry stores and not being impressed.  this was pigeon blood red.
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