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Jules
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« on: February 07, 2011, 12:56:30 PM »

Okay, so I have attached a couple of shots of this green stone. It was my husband's first wife's grandmothers (we think? He never saw the ring until after she passed away, so he has NO idea, just assuming based off the other jewelery it was bunched with)

Honestly, at first, I thought it was just a lab-created emerald. But upon closer inspection, I became suspect that it might be something else. It's set in a fairly substantial setting. I took it to a local jeweler (bear in mind we live in a small town, and the jewelers up here, well, the same jeweler tried to tell me my Daussi ring was a fake, and get me to sell it to him for the scrap value of the platinum!).

The guy's face lit up when he put the stone under the scope, and then he turned to me with a scowl on his face, and said that while the stone was just pretty green glass, he'd be HAPPY to buy the setting/gold from me, and pay a fair price. He offered me $300 for the setting. Which seemed REALLY high. We'd just sold off quite a bit of the late wife's jewelery (keeping the important stuff, selling the scrap), so I was pretty familiar with prices, and what the setting would be worth in scrap prices.

This was back in July, before gold went so high. I just haven't had the time to pursue it further because I've been busy.

So, I thought I'd post some pictures on here, see if y'all have any imput? There's just alot a fire and life in this stone, I don't know. Maybe a tsavorite? It's VERY well-cut.

I'm not an expert by any means, I do have my diamond certification course from GIA, but I didn't get any further than that back in the day. (I worked for a jeweler that paid for the classes....I just didn't stick around in retail long enough to finish the whole course.)

Thanks for letting me share! =)


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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2011, 01:56:22 PM »

I really don't know the answer (my uneducated guess is tsavorite) but it's a lovely ring. $300 for the metal does seem high though, so it could be a very nice stone indeed. Do you live near a good independent appraiser? I'm always a little wary of appraisals done by anyone who also buys pieces like that. Not saying they're all bad, but one bad apple...
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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2011, 02:18:04 PM »

I`m no expert either but maybe it could be some kind of chrome tourmaline, I`ve seen one of a similar colour.
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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2011, 02:35:05 PM »

They picked my first two guesses.  The only other gemstones I've seen dark enough are demantoid (though usually lighter) and a green sapphire.

Honestly I would've guessed man made stone, but if he offered you $300 for the ring I'd bet he's lying as well.

I mean it is a lovely setting and all but I doubt it would fetch $300 alone on resale or scrap.
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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2011, 06:03:50 PM »

If it's a very old piece, your first guess might be correct- I can check with our friend Roger- who knows the dates certain gems were first mined.
I don't know that tsavorite or Chrome Tourmaline were around very long ago..... but I'n not an expert on these dates- so if anyone knows offhand- please correct me!

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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2011, 06:41:44 PM »

David.....we figure the date somewhere between 1940-1960. BUT, this is all a guestimate.

I'd love to ask DH's late wife's parents, but they wouldn't help.

Do you recommend any independant appraisers out here in Los Angeles? I have to make a few trips into downtown LA this year for business purposes, I just don't know who/where to take it. The jeweler my mom knew down there back in the early 90's isn't around anymore.

Depending on what it is, we might just sell it, and put the $$ in my stepson's college funds. The stepsons won't want everything, I'm sure when they grow up and get married their wives will want their own jewelery. We did keep the nicer stuff, but this, there's only ONE, I can't split it in half!! =)

Thanks y'all for the replies. Why didn't I join this forum sooner? =) (well, I did, I just hadn't verified and posted. LOL)

Cheers!
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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2011, 08:09:55 PM »

If it's prior to 1980, it's very very unlikely to be a Tsavorite. Campbell Bridges discovered it in 1967 but could not get mining permission. Restarted in 1974, and first commercial stones were in store by the mid-late '70s. Chrome tourmaline I would expect to be considerably darker, and it "came out" even later (mid/late '80s)

From the colour, though, I'd say it's a synthetic emerald. Which can be durned difficult to tell from natural. So, our canny friend is betting it is natural, but if it isn't he isn't losing out, since it's probably worth $300 in scrap.

Get a good gemmologist to see it.
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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2011, 09:36:58 PM »

To add to the options, I have an emerald that color and a chrome tourmaline that color.  As with all colored gems, not everything that is set and appreciated fits into the *prescribed desired color*.  I have a hot fuchsia tourmaline that doesn't fit into any described color, and it is gorgeous.

If that jeweler's face lit up when he scoped the stone, then he probably saw a characteristic inclusion.  Then again, he may really know his stones and recognized yours as something outstanding and remarkably free of inclusions.

Since you finished diamond grading, you most likely have the skills to identify the inclusions by comparing them to pictures.  GIA has photos in their colored gem training manuals, so I would expect to find similar photos on the internet.

Good Luck.  I think it is a very pretty stone.
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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2011, 09:29:43 AM »

Thats what throws me about this stone. I thought it was just lab too.....but then I pulled out my loope, and spent alot of time with it.

There is something down in the bottom of this stone, not sure what, but it LOOKS like a spec of something black, or a crystal.

While the mounting IS heavy duty, there is NO way, even with gold prices where they were this summer, it's worth $300. About $140-$150 with it's weight, etc.

There's a local gem and mineral club, I actually called them yesterday, so I'm going to take it to their monthly meeting at the end of this month. They have several GIA gemologists in their membership!! And I think they would be pretty non-biased, as they aren't jewelers, they just LOVE collecting gems. Think, like old school rockhounds!! (which, I cannot knock them, as I love a good day digging in the old opal mines about 2 hours from my house!!)

Thanks y'all. When I get it figured out, I will post an update. If it IS an emerald, wonder what it would be worth? Hrm.
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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2011, 06:45:43 PM »

How cool is that?  I can't wait to hear what they might think of the ring.
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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2011, 11:40:42 PM »

Really, Squigs.  This is quite a conundrum, how cool for jules if it turns out to be something wonderful like a really fine emerald.   cross
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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2011, 10:53:56 AM »

Well, the search still goes on.

I took it to a gemologist, who, turned out to NOT be a gemologist!!!!

He told me that real stones don't come in that color, or size.

Like, ANY stones.

And then proceeded to ask me where I got my "nice CZ ring" (my daussi)

*sighs*

What I get for living in a small-ish town.

I'm taking it to Orange County with me today. *crosses fingers* I have a lead on a gemologist who's SUPPOSED to be "on site" today at a jewelers in Newport.

Wish me luck!
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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2011, 11:00:22 AM »

We'll be waiting here with bated breath, jules.  Good luck, and I hope you can get some conclusive answers!
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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2011, 11:04:11 AM »

Yeah I'd so trust that "gemologist" LOL

I hope you do get real answers soon Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2011, 10:38:03 AM »

*sigh*

The gemologist was not there, they had called in sick.

Oh well. I had to go down to the OC anyways.

I have to run into LA next week, maybe I can find someone there.

The great mystery continues!!! At this point, it's sort of on hold, as I have three HUGE events this month, so it's cake/flowers around here.

I did get some new jewels though, funny story. I'll have to post pics when I have time!
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« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2011, 12:28:59 PM »

don't forget the story behind the new jewels!  We love stories that come with jewels attached.  Grin

Too bad about the sick gemologist, but we'll be here waiting along with you for a final answer, jules.
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« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2011, 01:10:50 PM »

Phooey... I am curious to know what the mystery green stone is. If it is natural, my guess is tourmaline. Green tourmaline has been around for centuries – just not known by the name tourmaline (usually referred to as Elbaite in earlier days). Jules, does it appear to be the same color when you look through it from different directions?

If it is synthetic emerald, I understand that it is not uncommon for the material to have a certain type of inclusions.

More jewel pics, please.   Evil
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« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2011, 01:16:16 PM »

don't forget the story behind the new jewels!  We love stories that come with jewels attached.

Too bad about the sick gemologist, but we'll be here waiting along with you for a final answer, jules.

I'd say we love jewels with stories attached, but I shan't argue... Grin
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« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2011, 09:52:29 AM »

Yes yes, I know.

I realized, it's like 9.5cttws of diamond pieces I've aquired in the past month and a half.

BUT, before anyone thinks I'm some "big spender", y'all will have to hold out for me to get the time to take some pictures and post the stories that go along with it.

I didn't spend that much. Let's just put a teaser....I spend UNDER $500.

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Stories and pics coming soon. (I need to get one piece fixed at the jeweler today before I post)
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« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2011, 09:16:56 AM »

Jules, did you ever get a definitive answer on this stone?
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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2011, 02:12:12 PM »

*hangs head in shame*

No, I haven't had the time or the energy to seriously pursue it lately.

Lots of weddings lately, and some crazy cake orders.

I FINALLY got some shots of my new jewels though, I just need to sit down and re-size the photographs so I can post them! =)

It's just been a couple of crazy months around here. (good, but exhausting!)
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« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2011, 03:11:32 PM »

OK, this is probably a way-off-the-mark guess, but someone commented on the original "jeweler" possibly seeing a characteristic inclusion?  And the stone is very lively and sparkly..demantoid garnet perhaps?  From the Russian Ural Mts., vs the more common ones from Iran?  The inclusion could be a horsetail.  I have heard they are *very* popular with collectors.

Just my two pence Smiley  Man, you guys have some cool discussions on here!
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