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« on: April 07, 2009, 06:56:18 PM »

HI Everyone!


Before we go any further- let me say I['m not exactly sold on these.
They do provide an excellent subject for a conversation about color and cut.

I'll need to get some better pictures, but the 2.06 has a tinge of brown, IMO.



ITEM #: R2903
Asscher Cut Diamond, Loose

  WEIGHT: 2.06ct
  SHAPE: Asscher Cut
  COLOR: Fancy Vivid Yellow
  CLARITY: SI2
  MEASUREMENTS: 6.95 x 6.81 x 4.74 mm
  TOTAL DEPTH: 69.6%
  TABLE SIZE: 68%
  POLISH: VG
  SYMMETRY: VG
  FLUORESCENCE: MEDIUM BLUE
  GIA REPORT #: 2101320919


The stone on the right....




ITEM #: R2904
Asscher Cut Diamond, Loose

  WEIGHT: 2.51ct
  SHAPE: Asscher Cut
  COLOR: Fancy Vivid Yellow
  CLARITY: SI1
  MEASUREMENTS: 6.96 x 6.73 x 5.79 mm
  TOTAL DEPTH: 86.0%
  TABLE SIZE: 59%
  POLISH: EX
  SYMMETRY: VG
  FLUORESCENCE: NONE
  GIA REPORT #: 14667878

it would be easy for someone to boast about the cut- after all, EX polish, and VG symmetry- pretty nice, huh?
That is until we notice the 86% depth!
This sucker is almost as tall as it is wide ( like me)

Here's a side view


If this were a colorless diamond, we'd never give it a second glance- but Fancy Vivid Yellow Square emerald Cuts ( Asschers) are so very rare.....


by the way- Clarity is not an issue with either of these guys.
It's easy to assume that all SI Emerald and Asscher cuts are not eye clean- especially if you read a lot of stuff on the web- but these two are both living proof that's not the case.
Neither has any carbon.
Of course the saturation of color is so intense ...I mean Vivid- that an imperfection would have to be quite distinct to be seen anyway....
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« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2009, 08:18:43 PM »

Now this is an interesting diamond!



I say interesting in many ways.....oh if GIA had only used the "B" word in the color grade....

ITEM #: R2905
Emerald Cut Diamond, Loose

  WEIGHT: 2.29ct
  SHAPE: Emerald Cut
  COLOR: Fancy Deep Orange Yellow
  CLARITY: SI2
  MEASUREMENTS: 8.79 x 6.52 x 4.26 mm
  TOTAL DEPTH: 65.3%
  TABLE SIZE: 57%
  POLISH: EX
  SYMMETRY: VG
  FLUORESCENCE: Medium Yellow
  GIA REPORT #: 14843467

Price: $61200

If they had only called it Fancy Deep Orangy Brownish Yellow, for example, you could lop at least 50% from the price.
That O word ( Orange), on the other hand- when unhindered by the B word generates a huge increase in the price.
Orange Diamonds- pure orange- are as in the same league as Pinks when it comes to price and desirability.....
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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2009, 08:34:27 PM »

 omg  Am I dreaming?  Am I back in Vegas at that overpriced bauble store? scared  86% depth?  protest
They want you to pay for extra deep??? Grin   Still, gorgeous golden eye candy.  faintthud
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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2009, 09:16:29 PM »

You bring up a good point ah2bqat! That sucker is almost as tall as it is wide ( like me)....
but seriously..


This points out how different the cutting of fancy colored diamonds is, as compared to colorless.
I should also point out that a pair of "perfect" 4ct total weight Vivid Yellow Asscher cuts would likely cost about $160k. When I say "perfect"- each of these stones has aspects that lowers the price. The 2.51 has it's depth- the 2.06 has it's medium blue- and SI2.

Again, if these were colorless, we'd never give them a second look.
It's important to remember that diamonds are cut ( polished) the way they are for specific reasons.
Put simply, the cutter needs to maximize yield from the rough diamond, while producing a saleable diamond.
The stones both come from the same cutter- as incredible as one Vivid Asscher 2ct+ is, a matching pair is even more rare. I can't help but think that this was also part of the cutter's reasoning.
Hard to argue with the reasoning, as the 2.51 is an absolutely gorgeous diamond in person- despite the depth.


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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2009, 09:35:08 PM »

 hail notworthy faintthud
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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2009, 09:44:27 PM »

Here's another one of the 2.29ct.
YOu can reallysee the specks that caused the SI2 grade in these photos.
Not so much irl.


A truly remarkable diamond.
But it did make us really pine for the Asscher that was....the greenish one we had....I really miss that diamond.....
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« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2009, 09:47:17 PM »

Wow, that's spectacular!  Awesome color, and the steps.   th_AWA123112
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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2009, 09:48:04 PM »

Oh my god I love that diamond. It is superb. The color the longitude the concentric stuff. Wow.

By the way, the photo below is a test. 600px wide. Since we were on emerald cuts.

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« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2009, 10:25:51 PM »

I love the color of all of those!!!   Those would be some high dollar earrings. 
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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2009, 03:21:36 AM »

 Huh? Why don't I like them? When I read the title of this thread I couldn't get into it fast enough, but the stones don't speak to me. I don't like the facet pattern that the 86% depth has given to the asscher and I can't love any of the colours. True, I prefer sunnier yellows and lighter tropicana oranges, but I usually admire the deeper colours too.  Huh?

The one that really grabbed me was the test photo from WM! laugh

Sorry, don't mean to be negative, but they don't appeal.

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« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2009, 09:05:18 AM »

Don't like that 2.51. Distorted windmills...

I'd also wonder to what extent items in the high tens (or low hundreds) are viable at the moment. If you are buying for long term stock, I'd consider them because of rarity, but be prepared to sit on them for a while...

The DOY EC seems to have a nice cut - based on the photos, it seems it was having a lucky day avoiding the "B" word. If I had $60k (plus trimmings), I'm still not sure I'd buy it...
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« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2009, 10:29:57 AM »

If those little specks on the table aren't so visible, I think the EC looks great but as David pointed out, you probably can get a similar looking orangey brown diamond for much less. I wonder how GIA decide on the base color?

I'm not so sold on the Asschers. The 2.06 multiple steps look great but the dark brown-shades look like dark clouds, at least in the picture. Not sure about IRL tho..

Here's the funny bit though... if you knock off $100K from the price, the asschers start to look fantastic..  Wink
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« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2009, 01:17:54 PM »

Great points all!
There's no question these vivid yellows are like...."factory seconds"
For me, the color - while very attractive- does not really represent the purity I expect to see in a vivid yellow. I see a tinge of brown.

omc is also correct about the distorted windmills. Below I've highlighted what omc means by "distorted windmills"



These are caused by the massive depth- it creates too long a facet on the bottom- you can see how much longer that facet is in this shot.



Going back to "internet research"- this means the diamond is badly cut.
Again, if we were talking about an F color, there's not a whole lot of debate.
But what we can see as distorted windmills in close up photos does not actually look bad, in real life.
The color of the stone is so very deep that you can't make out these details naked eye.


I agree with omc too about the timing. We need to be very careful to buy the right stones, Especially now.
The cutter swears by the beauty of the diamonds. Dogs bark- that's what you expect them to do.
But it's up to us to be the discriminators.
We trust this cutter to the max- his stones are all natural, and the company is the straightest of shooters.
But they still won't protect us from buying the wrong diamonds.

We got these stones for a call.
I am not comfortable recommending either of the Asscher cuts.

The emerald cut...now that's a different ball of wax- I'm still not sure- but in real life the stone is "dramatic" in real life.
Let me see if I can get some better pics of that one.....
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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2009, 02:12:38 PM »

As stunning as these diamonds are, I refrained from commenting on them yesterday because I saw elements in each that I felt MAY detract from the overall desirability – at least for me. Now, I see the issues have been mentioned, so, I'll chime in. In person, I know that I'd love the colors in each stone. And, the crystal – that diaphanous quality that I so love – in each looks to be superior in the photos. And, for sure, there is tremendous value in finding a "matched" pair in this size and color. It may be that the Asschers would do better to be set in jewelry as some sort of pair than marketed loose. However, if I had it to spend, I'm not sure that I'd shell out the money necessary for each in ANY economic situation. Compare to sold step cut R2683 http://rockdiamond.c...ond-gia-vs2-stunning a stone that I saw in person... I STILL wish I'd had the funds for that one! I think I'd prefer to wait for another SPECTACULAR diamond to come along. Now, is the EC here spectacular? Not sure... perhaps this too would be more marketable as part of a gorgeous custom piece of jewelry.

All that being said, these are all impressive. And, I'm sure each is very dramatic in person. It is all about priorities, isn't it?
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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2009, 03:07:04 PM »

Thank you all so much!
It's great to have this type of conversation- I believe it's illuminating for all concerned.... ( especially me!)


Back to the 2.29ct...
tough call this one- yes T, the memory of R2683 is very fresh in my mind....here's a photo for those who had not seen her..

The GIA grade on R2683 was "Fancy Deep Brownish Greenish Yellow"

Although they look similar, I have to admit, the 2.29 is more...orange.


Does that warrant a price four times higher?
My jury is still out....

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« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2009, 03:25:20 PM »

I don't know... it IS an interesting dilemma. I know that for ME – still realizing that these diamonds don't grow on trees – after seeing R2683 in person, I'd have a hard time shelling out oodles more for the 2.29 EC. Ironic, as much so many of us like to dis the "paper;" it is the paper report this time that bites us in the butt... Oh, my yes, happy day for the cutter, but not-so happy for cash-poor lovers of a dramatic diamond!
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« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2009, 03:38:03 PM »

I'll tell you this- if we were aiming to buy this 2.29ct- the negotiations with the cutter wouldn't be pretty.

Just yesterday he told me how glad he was I wasn't doing the color grading for GIA......after hearing my opinions on these three stones.....heheh
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« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2009, 03:40:33 PM »

I'm curious... did R2683 come from the same cutter?
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« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2009, 03:58:27 PM »

I'm curious... did R2683 come from the same cutter?
No T...different cutters....

here's a few more of the 2.29ct.


I am so in love with this diamond ( except for it's price)

Wait till you see the video!!

BTW- I also did a video with the two asschers using a UV light to show the fluorescence!
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« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2009, 04:05:41 PM »

Well, D., if you LOVE it, then, that says a lot for the diamond. And, of course, the fact that it IS orange may be enough to back-up the price...

I know how difficult it is to find orange diamond anything. In fact, I recall that once upon a time when I asked about orange side stones, I heard something about them being as easy to find as "elephant earmuffs..."  Wink
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« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2009, 04:11:42 PM »

Trink, I find these days that I very rarely have the opportunity to use my set of elephant's earmuffs. Would you like them? I'll take the glarkler in exchange, since the earmuffs are pretty rare...

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« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2009, 04:26:05 PM »

Mrs. M., if you have elephant earmuffs, this could be quite a dilemma! Although The Glarkler is not all that uncommon – really, its components are quite common – and the center Glarkler cushion diamond is not even my favorite style of cushion in terms of cut, David managed to put together a ring that I consider "Totally Trinkette." As I've written before, out of the many DBL pieces that I have, this ring continues to be my favorite. And, certainly, it is not the most expensive or rare piece out of the group. For me, it is the perfect size, perfect weight (overall ring weight, not carat weight, which I have found to be quite important to me), perfect colors, perfect width across my finger... it just all fits and feels right. Weird, because there is nothing "spectacular" about any of it. Yet, when all the pieces fit together, it just works for ME. Sorry for the thread jack... I'm like a mother bragging about a beloved child!  Roll Eyes

Now, Mrs. M., about those elephant earmuffs...
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« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2009, 05:13:53 PM »

Well, I love the orange one big time. I didn't even comment on the asschers. But that orange is fabulous. You should see that orange puppy on a mac screen. The color is so rich. But again, that's a pricey stone and a niche market. Orange diamond is not exactly a hot search phrase either. I'm not sure I'd stock it for that reason.
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« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2009, 06:47:14 PM »

Let's take another look at the pair of vivids...



And the 2.51 "Ultra wide"



I was thinking about this....the cutter of these stones is one of the world's largest specialists in Fancy Colors......
The stones really do have something quite special about them- albeit not what you'd want if you wanted a pure vivid yellow.
I have gotten many "unlucky (for them) GIA graded stones.
Intense Yellows that looked like a vivid, for example.
This is one in the opposite direction- but in this business, each stone is it's own deal- buyers don;t remember the time they got a steal on the next purchase- it has to stand on it's own merits.
I still think they'd need to further concede on the price to make it happen.....
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« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2009, 07:52:15 PM »

I don't care.  They're so deeply colored, so absolutely gorgeous  . . .  although I do like the one on the right better in these photos.  Which one is that - the less deep one?  It appears to be the one with fluorescence.  I could stare at it all day long.

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