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« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2011, 11:11:29 AM »

Absolutely actual report. Not the first case that David finds with similar disparities.

You know what irritates me most? After all this, "we" (the good guys) still have to fight consumer perception that "GIA-graded stones are more expensive" and "I have found this great bargain with an EGL report"...
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« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2011, 11:18:04 AM »

I saw a pair of EGL graded OMC earrings th eother day. EGL said nearly $3k and I said... "Nope, can't be worth that much! It's EGL!" The really funny thing was that the person had a tag at the bottom of her auction saying she was a GIA graduate.
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« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2011, 12:02:54 PM »

WHA-AAATT, no one ever thinks of Q-R? Poor, forgotten, unloved Q-R...  crybaby2
That was my first guess.  I happen to love stones in the Q-R, S-T, U-V W-X and Y-Z ranges Smiley

I remember looking at "warmer" colored stones and saw some pretty bad IGI and EGL grades.  The sad thing is at this store they were still way ore expensive even if the color had be right.  I know I am color sensitive, but geez... a K should not look that yellow!
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« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2011, 05:26:38 PM »

Seriously, no one ever mentions Q-R. And, one rarely sees these "lost" letters...
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« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2011, 08:05:47 PM »

Absolutely actual report. Not the first case that David finds with similar disparities.

You know what irritates me most? After all this, "we" (the good guys) still have to fight consumer perception that "GIA-graded stones are more expensive" and "I have found this great bargain with an EGL report"...

If you look at sites like B*** N***, you see in their diamond lists that the EGL stones are less money.  So, this could be glass half empty / half full depending on your perception.  When DF and I picked up my ER, there was a young couple at another vendor who picked out and paid for a princess engagement ring with an EGL cert, you should have heard my jeweler going off.
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« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2011, 09:48:23 PM »

I can understand why it might seem perfectly fine- but the problem is, sellers will actually try and pass off this lovely S-T, Q-R, M, whatever it actually is- as a "Certified I color"
So it could easily be seen as facilitating non truth. In my book, any sale based on descriptions known by the seller to be inaccurate is questionable.
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« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2011, 09:52:25 PM »

I can understand why it might seem perfectly fine- but the problem is, sellers will actually try and pass off this lovely S-T, Q-R, M, whatever it actually is- as a "Certified I color"
So it could easily be seen as facilitating non truth. In my book, any sale based on descriptions known by the seller to be inaccurate is questionable.
I agree!!  In fact I have dropped local jewelers for such shady business.  I don't appreciate someone showing me a stone that I can definitely tell is not the color they claim it is "certified" to be and they say "But it is a G like you asked for"

I don't appreciate liars and passing a stone off as something it is not knowingly is something I will not tolerate.
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« Reply #32 on: May 24, 2011, 01:02:37 AM »

If you look at sites like B*** N***, you see in their diamond lists that the EGL stones are less money.  So, this could be glass half empty / half full depending on your perception.  When DF and I picked up my ER, there was a young couple at another vendor who picked out and paid for a princess engagement ring with an EGL cert, you should have heard my jeweler going off.
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But it isn't. A lab report stating X colour and Y clarity does not change the reality of what the stone's colour and clarity are. Colour and clarity are fundamentally objective rather than subjective evaluations - AGS even uses a colorimeter in colour grading and the quantity and type of inclusions that can be found with 10x magnification is an absolutely objective measure, subject only to the grader's willingness to do a thorough job.

Since everybody that criticises EGL does so on the basis of their (demonstrated) inconsistency on colour and clarity, it is even less excusable.  If EGL were consistently 1, 2 or 6 grades "less" than GIA, it would be OK. It is just that they have decided to use a different scale. But some grades are "on the spot" (e.g. the SI1 here), yet others are 6 (or 11) grades off. How does this help the buyer? And in turn, as a seller, how can using an EGL report to provide independent verification of a grade be seen as anything other than bad faith?

BTW - not that I want to promote the competition, but BN does NOT offer EGL graded stones. Other online merchants do.
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