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« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2009, 03:18:58 AM »

Hey, glad you weren't deleted, nice to 'meet' you!

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« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2009, 08:13:11 AM »

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I initially found this site when I was looking up Daussi diamonds.  By many standards they are no where near ideal, but I do like them.  Same with the Crisscuts that I have seen.  They are shallow stones but the personality in them is amazing.  I am drawn to stones with personality and have looked at other sites to see a stone that I am in love with considered "a dog" and trashed just because it doesn't fit the sellers ideals.

So no excellent isn't always the best.  I have yet to see a poor level stone to be good though.  I admit to that.  But a very good can be just as nice if not better.  Goods in my eyes will vary.

I agree. There's a certain level below which things don't work, but so much of what happens "above" that level is personal taste, and very difficult to capture with a formula or a set of simplistic rules. Or even a set of complicated ones.

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« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2009, 10:32:24 AM »

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I agree. There's a certain level below which things don't work, but so much of what happens "above" that level is personal taste, and very difficult to capture with a formula or a set of simplistic rules. Or even a set of complicated ones.

What a wonderful and concise way to express a very complicated, and, it seems, oftentimes, a highly-charged emotional debate about what makes diamond "great," "bad," or "otherwise." icon_thumleft
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« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2009, 02:00:59 PM »

This is such a cool thread! I learned a lot just reading it.

BTW, David this is the kind of threads I would like to see more at ... well, you know where. Smiley
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« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2009, 03:00:38 PM »

Yes, me too. But whenever someone tries to be "unorthodox" over there, the level of animosity and unmoderated personal attacks is such that I have decided to stay away, and no longer post or even lurk. I have enough stress in my life as it is.  Wink
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« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2009, 03:14:47 PM »

Hmm, I am not sure we are talking about the same place OldManCoyote.  Huh?
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« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2009, 03:59:27 PM »

Yes y'all are referring to different places.
Let's call the OMC comment directed toward "Pricescope", and the place lyta is "Better Than a Diamond"

At the end of the day, there's really nothign like CDI.

Thank God it's here!
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« Reply #32 on: November 24, 2009, 09:28:20 PM »

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I initially found this site when I was looking up Daussi diamonds.  By many standards they are no where near ideal, but I do like them.  Same with the Crisscuts that I have seen.  They are shallow stones but the personality in them is amazing.  I am drawn to stones with personality and have looked at other sites to see a stone that I am in love with considered "a dog" and trashed just because it doesn't fit the sellers ideals.

So no excellent isn't always the best.  I have yet to see a poor level stone to be good though.  I admit to that.  But a very good can be just as nice if not better.  Goods in my eyes will vary.

I agree. There's a certain level below which things don't work, but so much of what happens "above" that level is personal taste, and very difficult to capture with a formula or a set of simplistic rules. Or even a set of complicated ones.

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H. L. Mencken

I can't express my admiration for omc- on so many levels.
He's really put his finger on it perfectly.

I heard a very interesting story on the radio the other day.
It was talking about how outstanding behavior is punished.
A little girl of 5 years old who totally freaks out when her socks don't fit into her leotard is a
"problem child".
It may be infuriating as the parent- but it also shows an extreme attention to detail and tenacious nature on the part of the five year old. Traits that may be the very foundation of  her success in life..

I suppose that I represent that sort of problem to those looking at diamonds from a "technical standpoint"
Somehow OMC manges to possess much "tech data", yet never losses his amazing eye for the beautiful or unusual.
More of us here are those who may share the second part of that talent, without really wanting to know a lot of technical reasons why the light looks good.

The stone I have used as an example has been eye opening for me too.
I managed to get it to look completely dark by blocking light to it's pavilion ( backside)
I have shown how there's only 7 "arrows" instead of 8.
We can clearly start that this is not a "well cut diamond" using a technical measuring stick.
But is that the correct stick to use?

The more normal photos show what my eye sees in most all lighting environments.
It's a pretty diamond, although the strong blue fluorescence really masks the color in many normal lighting environments.
That, more than the cut, is why we probably won't carry it.

This has been a really fun conversation this far!

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