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« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2008, 02:41:52 PM »

Totally individual Ace ,,,,,,different in every case
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« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2008, 02:44:25 PM »

why do these have to be so complicated?  Grin
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« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2008, 07:35:23 PM »

Hi David, Here are a few more questions about Fluorescence--

1. does the fluorescence interact with the scintillation and fire characteristics of a diamond?

2. how many types of fluorescence have you come across in diamonds-- blue seems quite common, other colors, green? yellow?

3. is it known what causes fluorescence in a diamond??

4. is it an intrinsic property of the stone, can you see
it in a rough cut, or does it come out once a diamond is cut and polished?

This is all so fascinating!


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« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2008, 07:48:47 PM »

Hi diamondnewbie - those are great questions!

I'm going to add a:  david   so he'll be more likely to see them!
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« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2008, 09:39:33 PM »

Hi David, Here are a few more questions about Fluorescence--

1. does the fluorescence interact with the scintillation and fire characteristics of a diamond?

Generally not.  It's only in the most extreme cases of strong fluorescence that a diamond will be dull.  This is a small percentage of diamonds with fluorescence, and a miniscule percentage of fine quality diamonds as a whole

2. how many types of fluorescence have you come across in diamonds-- blue seems quite common, other colors, green? yellow?

I've seen yellow fluorescence blue fluorescence, white fluorescence

3. is it known what causes fluorescence in a diamond??

Probably, but not by me sultan

4. is it an intrinsic property of the stone, can you see
it in a rough cut, or does it come out once a diamond is cut and polished?

It is detectable in the rough

This is all so fascinating!




Thanks for asking
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« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2008, 11:53:12 AM »

Hi David. Thanks for all those answers. If you have any pics of diamonds with Yellow or White fluorescence on your webpage, pls post the link for us.. Love to see the comparison with the blue fluorescence...Or, maybe you've done this already?

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy    BTW... I think you should write a book on "User's guide to diamonds".  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2008, 05:45:54 PM »

I'm not sure if it's a blue diamond thing, but the Hope Diamond fluoresces RED!
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« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2008, 08:25:00 PM »

I'm not sure if it's a blue diamond thing, but the Hope Diamond fluoresces RED!

OF COURSE SHE WOULD!   Just to be even cooler than all the other diamonds. 
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« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2008, 12:18:10 AM »

Just a quickie!

Can a degree of fluoroescence impact the value of a diamond positively? (ie; a blue diamond with strong blue fluor, an orange with strong orange, etc) Or is it generally best* to avoid fluoroescence altogether?

*subject to personal preference, of course!
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« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2008, 04:38:17 PM »

Just a quickie!

Can a degree of fluoroescence impact the value of a diamond positively? (ie; a blue diamond with strong blue fluor, an orange with strong orange, etc) Or is it generally best* to avoid fluoroescence altogether?

*subject to personal preference, of course!

Great question, Sarahbelle!

Of course, the answer is not a simple one.  For example, it really depends on the type of Diamond we are talking about.
Let's talk about value, the first part of your question:
If we're talking about a very high quality diamond in terms of color-that is to say D-E-F-G colors in the colorless range, or for talking fancy yellows, the grades of Fancy Yellow, Fancy Intense Yellow, and Fancy Vivid Yellow.
In these extreme grades, the prices are exponentially higher than the lower color grades.  So, if someone's paying that kind of a price, generally they won't want fluorescence.  Consequently, in these premium priced colors, medium or strong fluorescence may negatively impact the price.
If we're comparing D/ Internally Flawless diamonds of comparable cut quality and size, if one has medium or strong fluorescence, it will trade for less than the other.

Now, let's consider a J color in terms of fluorescence and its effect on value.
If a  D/ Internally Flawless  is $20,000 per carat ( it is in about that in one carat size), a comperably cut J/ Internally Flawless will be about $6000 per carat.
Generally, this is a less discriminating buyer.  Add to this the fact that in terms of the way the diamond looks, fluorescence can be a positive in the J color.
The result is that medium or even strong blue fluorescence may have absolutely no effect on the price of the J/ Internally flawless


Which kind of answers, the second part of your question: in most cases there is actually no reason to avoid fluorescence... in fact, some buyers seek out this characteristic.

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« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2008, 05:50:29 PM »

Thanks David! And just one more part to the question-- would it be desirable to have fluorescence in a matching color to the diamond? For instance, would a blue diamond with blue fluorescence look even BLUER? (And is there such a thing as white fluorescence?)
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« Reply #36 on: June 06, 2008, 02:19:18 AM »

Here's my crazy FDY RB with Green Flour Smiley

What's FDY?

Green fluorescence are extremely rare! That is a collector's stone.

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For colorless diamonds. I prefer them to be inert or with faint. For near colorless, I would like to see inert or faint for G but faint for H and at least Medium for I color and a strong for J. J color diamond with strong blue fluorescenece will appear D colorless face up! Now that increases it's value.

However. H color stones or higher will have a discounted price if they have any degree of fluorescence.
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« Reply #37 on: June 06, 2008, 08:38:37 AM »

PD-it is a GIA Fancy Deep Yellow RB, a very cool stone-unset at this point. 

When I was looking at that stone there was also a GIA Fancy Greenish Brown stone that had red fluor, it was very inexpensive, but I left it at the time and now its gone-but that one would have been neat to own too.
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« Reply #38 on: June 06, 2008, 09:23:56 AM »

Thanks David! And just one more part to the question-- would it be desirable to have fluorescence in a matching color to the diamond? For instance, would a blue diamond with blue fluorescence look even BLUER? (And is there such a thing as white fluorescence?)

White fluorescence does exist. it's not all that nice when I've seen it though....

In terms of Blue Diamonds with Blue fluorescence....Good question!
There are so few blues that it is not easy to make generalizations...I have noticed a lot of pinks have Blue fluorescence.
In these ultra rare colors, the presence of fluorescence has little impact on price.
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« Reply #39 on: June 06, 2008, 04:36:34 PM »

Does pink fluorescence exist? Or is it faint red? (or is it my eyes picking up some purple reflection from the visible part of the UV light?)
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« Reply #40 on: June 06, 2008, 06:38:47 PM »

Most likely a reflection from the UV light.

Sometimes I have to have a strong blue stone to use form comparison because the reflection of the UV light tricks the eyes a bit.....
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« Reply #41 on: June 06, 2008, 06:43:52 PM »

I couldn't find anything on the web except that fluorescence is caused by trace impurities in the diamond, approximately one-third of all gem-quality diamonds fluoresce, usually blue, but white, yellow, green, orange, and very occasionally red also may be witnessed and pink diamonds may fluoresce a bright orange.  

For whatever it's worth . . .

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« Reply #42 on: June 07, 2008, 10:10:51 AM »

I couldn't find anything on the web except that fluorescence is caused by trace impurities in the diamond, approximately one-third of all gem-quality diamonds fluoresce, usually blue, but white, yellow, green, orange, and very occasionally red also may be witnessed and pink diamonds may fluoresce a bright orange. 

For whatever it's worth . . .

 Wink Mikla



 Fluorescence are caused by impurities, crystal lattice irregularities or both. Most Type IIa or Golconda diamond does not fluoresce. These are the purest type of diamonds. A diamond that you cannot say or see anything bad.

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