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« on: January 20, 2007, 04:30:37 PM »

HI everyone!
We know labels are necessary in life.
On medicine for example.
Road signs.


But there are other types of labels that may be less effective.
For example, some people would call a particular Salsa "Spicy"- while others would call the same sauce "Mild".

In diamonds, a label which causes some confusion is the term "colorless"

I mean, I look at a D colored diamond, and see a lot of flashes of color.

The method used to assign a color grade to colorless diamonds is to turn them upside-down ( put them on their tables), and look thru the back like this



When a diamond shows that slight tint in this position, it gets a lower grade- greater the tint, lower the color.
But there's quite a difference in the way diamonds look when you right them, and look thru the top.
That's what is referred to as "Face Up"
Here's the same diamonds "Face Up"


Some people are far more sensitive to color than others.
The aspects of the diamond that make it beautiful are not tied only to it's color.
There are wonderful M color diamonds, and horrible D color diamonds.


It pays for shoppers to understand this because a diamond's color has an extraordinary effect on it's price.
If we were comparing really well cut 1.00 SI1 diamonds.
A J would cost $4
A G would cost $5.50
A D would cost $7

It's not that the D is...."better" . It's a matter of a person's eye, and personal taste.
Those shoppers who want the highest colors know what they want.

If someone who's not color sensitive is convinced not to even consider a J color, they might have lost an opportunity to use the difference in price to up-size.


It's really about finding the correct shoe for the particular foot
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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2007, 12:23:50 PM »

Woah!  That is an interesting comparison.  Brilliant pictures - thanks David!
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2007, 08:33:04 AM »

Is that 1.71 L RB somthing you have in stock??
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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2007, 12:05:54 AM »

GL- It was but I think it sold recently. It was really stunning and did not look like an L color.
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2007, 02:03:45 AM »

Wow, this is a great way to get an idea of the subtle differences! And even better that you used different shapes of diamonds!!!
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2007, 09:17:31 AM »

Great post, David.  I don't think people realize how little difference to the eye that there can be between a G and a K, for example.  People insist on a G, but probably wouldn't know they were sold a J. 

I adore my new K, and my old L and my OEC which is an M!  Hey...maybe that is my new strategy...to work on acquiring the entire alphabet...
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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2007, 09:25:33 AM »

It is really so interesting to look at those comparison photos.  If I had had to guess, I never would have gotten the grades right - I couldn't even have been able to line them up in any kind of correct order! 

Just shows how easily you can be snowed by a dishonest jeweler, and why I feel so lucky to have found DBL.  Also, shows why a GIA report is so important.  Not about better or worse, but about making sure you get what you pay for!   

Just have to say, though, that I saw that 2.04 E asscher/emerald in person and still dream of it.  It is blindingly gorgeous!!!
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2007, 02:14:04 PM »

Your N heart with rubies is fabulous.

I saw that the 1.71 is still listed in the ebay store. Hmmm. I'll have to research that one further.
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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2007, 04:35:43 PM »

Oh!  I just saw it - in the tulip setting.  Interesting. . .
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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2007, 05:55:35 PM »

Hi All!

The 1.71 is , yes, still here after all these years...

I think it needs a halo......


MORE ON COLOR GRADING:

The differences between adjacent grades are quite subtle.
As we get further down the scale, the grades get wider.
The small difference between them is why all three grades of  D, E, and F are considered "Colorless" by the GIA.

The chart below illustrates ( roughly) how the sequence of shades get wider the more color the diamond has.


Let's look at the way GIA categorizes the colors.


"Near colorless" goes from G down to J.
G and H represent  your "mid-line" colorless diamonds.
I and J will show a bit of tint to a sensitive eye, and are priced well below the colorless grades.

It almost seems that GIA places the "Colorless", "Near Colorless" and "Faint" labels in such a way that K is not exactly "faint", nor is it "Near Colorless"

K, and the next grades- L-M-N can look quite colorless in some cases.

Other cases can have these "off white" grades looking quite dull.



Prices:
D-E-F will command the highest prices- all things being equal. If course things are never really equal, but G-H are more moderately priced, with I-and J bringing up the rear in "White Diamond" pricing.

Desirability:
Of course D-E-F colors are priced above the lower colors- but does that make them more desirable?
It's important to remember that a badly cut D color will be dull too.
A diamond's color does not guarantee it's desirability.

Another very important point about color is a person's ability to see the subtle shades.
When I was learning to grade diamonds in a group setting it was quite obvious that some people could simply not see the difference between the colors very well- even if they could see imperfections, and judge the cut.
Therefore certain people were assigned the task of color grading.
They were all women ( this was the '70's)- and worked early.
It's actually much more difficult to grade for color later in the day, or at night.

This all supports my position that the differences in color are subtle if one is comparing two well cut diamonds.
I also feel that even the subtle M,N, O-P and Q-R warm whites can be knock outs.


A diamond's shape, and it's effect on color:[/b]
I have heard it said that one should avoid certain shapes  below a certain color.
BALDERDASH.
It's true that some diamonds will show more color that others.
It's even possible to accurately say that some shapes show color more than others.
It does not follow that "all Emerald Cuts below H look tinted."

The shape does affect color. But this is more of a consideration when one is looking for more color.
For example: Round Brilliant is a shape that maximizes white light return.
That's why you won't see a lot of Natural Fancy Colored Diamonds cut to Round Brilliant Cut.

Bottom line on shapes and colors:
An Emerald Cut, Round Brilliant, Pear Shape, Radiant Cut, Princess, Oval, Asscher or Marquise can look amazing in any color of the alphabet!

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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2007, 08:51:24 AM »

So how does something like my new cushion fit in?  If it is a faint brown, does that mean it similar to those in the range of K-M, but with a brown tint instead of a yellow tint, or is it just a totally different ballgame?
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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2007, 02:06:53 PM »

Totally different ballgame for browns, and light browns- ONCE they pass J in color.
I've actually seen very high colors - as high as F- that showed a slight brown tint.
IN these cases the diamond simply received a color grade from GIA.

The eye perceives brown differently than yellow- and the market values them differently- so the grading is different.
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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2007, 10:59:16 AM »

Okay, we made a page out of this for tutorials section.

http://coloreddiamond.info/DIAMONDS/DiamondGrading.shtml
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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2007, 04:58:53 PM »

David,

Amy posted this question on another thread:

"I'm curious too on how GIA grades on color. Do they visually compare diamonds to other diamonds, a chart, or do it by computer somehow???"

I thought that one should be left to you, oh wise one...... Cheesy
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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2007, 07:12:29 PM »

Quote

Amy posted this question on another thread:

"I'm curious too on how GIA grades on color. Do they visually compare diamonds to other diamonds, a chart, or do it by computer somehow???"



Hi Everyone!

Colorless Diamonds are graded face down on a white surface.
GIA uses humans to grade the diamonds.
There are machines purported to be able to ascertain the color grade of a colorless, or near colorless diamond.
Whether a human, or a machine grades the diamond, some will present challenges. Color is subjective. A diamond's color chages due to ambient light, and other uncontrollable factors.
There will always be a percentage of stones "on the cusp". Therefore some diamonds can grade G one day, and H the next.

If the person who submitted the diamond to GIA disagrees with the result, they can challenge the grade, and ask for a re-check.
It works like this: If the GIA determines they made an error, they re-issue the report at no charge.
If they determine they were correct, the complainer must pay 1/2 the original GIA fee . Insult to injury, as it were.
However, a small percentage of diamonds given to GIA for color re-checks acutally do get their color changed by a grade.
I've never seen a 2 color grade difference.


Back in the old days, I worked for a comapny where only women were allowed to grade the diamonds for color.
1) Have baby
2) color grade diamond

 
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« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2007, 08:17:29 PM »

This is all so interesting!

OK, so I am thinking you may be a little busy, but at some point - say, after you have my mom's marquise packed and shipped - could you write one of these about grading colored stones?  I think we all agree you are an expert on the topic, and we would be much interested!!

I know one question a few of us had was what the term "deep" means and on what colors it is used on a GIA report.  I combed the GIA website but could not find an answer.
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« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2007, 08:37:32 PM »

We are planning on doing just that. You think it's complicated for colorless diamonds? It gets downright collegiate for the colored diamonds. Those little qualifiers of color dive in there and it bumps the price to the heavens or nearer to earth.
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« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2007, 11:30:22 AM »

It is in the works.....stay tuned
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« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2007, 10:33:13 PM »

This may be a stupid question, Master, but what happened to A, B and C? 
                               
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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2007, 04:01:53 AM »

LOL!  You are funny CH!

I'll make sure David sees this for you.
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« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2007, 04:07:08 AM »

A?Huh?Huh?? B?Huh?Huh?? Cya lata grasshoppa!

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