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« on: May 15, 2011, 01:01:03 PM »

hi everybody!
We get many requests for photos of two diamonds next each other, so prospective buyers can compare subtle shade differences.
I thought this would be a good place to showcase some of these photos.
First, let's look at a photo that has three Original Radiant Cut Diamonds, and one generic cushion modified brilliant.

Can you see the color differences?

I'll post this photo again, with the titles showing the color for each stone. In the meantime, would anyone like to guess?
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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2011, 01:05:30 PM »

Bit unfair that one... or very fair depending on the point of view (literally). D-Z are graded on the side against a white background. In practice this results in many "unnecessary" grades that from the top look exactly the same...

Which to my eyes and monitor is what happens here!
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2011, 01:17:00 PM »

I can see the differences..
But let's give one hint.
There's one stone which is a D color- and only one.
Which do you think it is?
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2011, 01:37:01 PM »

If I had to guess, I would say the 2nd from the left is the "D".

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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2011, 02:44:11 PM »

I say the second as well~!
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2011, 02:54:47 PM »

The second stone from the left is the D color...the others look like G/H and I/J's.
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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2011, 04:59:21 PM »

I'll go for the cushion, although OMC is right that you can't see what the graders saw at this angle.
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2011, 05:32:29 PM »

Good guessing , everyone who guessed second from left. That was R3948

another hint… Each of the other stones is a different shade from the others.
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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2011, 07:09:22 PM »

The angle of the cushion makes it tough to guess where that one falls.  That D stuck out like a sore thumb to me.

I'd guess the first stone is a G, the 2nd D, the third F and the 4th E? (edit there since I typo'd)

That's a very quick guess though.
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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2011, 07:17:52 PM »

I'll go for the cushion, although OMC is right that you can't see what the graders saw at this angle.
That's a great point Mikla!
They would have been graded table down.
However I still maintain that on my monitor at least- I can see face up shade differences.
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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2011, 02:49:48 AM »

There's another aspect here at work, David - apart from the quality of the monitor and that of the retinal cells/brain, which both count. That's psychology: knowing what you are looking at makes a significant difference to the probability of finding it and finding the "differences".

It's like those "random dots" painting that if looked at the right way turn into 3D pictures: once you have figured one out, calling it back is relatively easy. If you don't know what the hidden picture is, you can stare at it for 20 minutes and all you get out of it is a headache (at least, that's what happens to me!!!).

Now, I have cropped and rearranged (moved and rotated, but not altered in any way other than that, apart from bleeping compression due to photobucket) an equal section - as large as I could cut a square without revealing the shape of the stone - of all four stones, which I numbered 1, 2, 3, 4 from left to right in the original pic. Now of course the numbers are jumbled; if anyone can rearrange them back based on colour, I'd be really impressed.


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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2011, 07:10:19 AM »

I think I've got it... From Left to right this is the un-jumbled order.... 3 ,1, 4, 2   Cool

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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2011, 07:46:02 AM »

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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2011, 08:46:43 AM »

Yeah...I've impressed the coyote... yahoo
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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2011, 09:02:12 AM »

Cutting patterns are still too distinctive, clearly!
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« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2011, 09:46:57 PM »

You make some great points OMC.
If it was possible to put a computer- or even a photo- in front of people who'd never seen one, they might not recognize what it represented.

To a great degree, knowing what I know colors how I see the results.
Maybe if you know what I know it will make a difference.....
I did not purposefully arrange the stones this way. One might think of lining them up in order in such a photo.
But I like the fact that the D and the G are right next to each other. This way we get to compare the D with both an F and a G.
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« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2011, 08:27:20 AM »

I agree OMC, that knowing the colors does make a difference.

I do think that in real life too it makes a difference.  I know in my head I went back and forth on the color of the 1st and 3rd... which was higher/lower color.  There were times when I thought the 1st was higher and times when I thought it was just the angle of the 3rd making it appear lower (more contrast in that stone) which now I know isn't right.

Unfortunately the cushion's angle made it tough to even try to guess so I picked a letter randomly  Grin

That D though stands out though.  For some reason they always do.  Years ago, I had a jeweler show me D-H in person.  The D was the easiest for me to spot but the E and F were actually more difficult for me to guess which was which.  The G and H were increasingly obvious to me too.  I was picking stones for earrings and it was then that I realized I am happy with E and F for colorless diamonds.  D is nice, but sometimes it is almost too "white" where G and H start to be too "yellow" (for colorless obviously I like the way lower colors for ones with warmth)
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« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2011, 09:04:04 PM »

Here's another comparison shot where there's a clear difference.


That's R2690 W-X/VVS2- appearing loose.
versus
R3695 1.03 Fancy Yellow- set into a ring

I think everyone who can see the screen will see this difference
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« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2011, 09:21:25 PM »

Holy crap... that's two fold.

First I looked at this on my tablet (it has an excellent screen for a tablet) and I thought the difference was very noticable.  I was surprised that the two would be that far off.

The 2nd part is now on my "beast" machine the difference is even more apparent.  The W-X looks like lemonade in color and the FY looks more like the insides of the lemon before squeezed (I love lemons btw)
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« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2011, 09:41:50 PM »

That emerald cut ring is a great ring, for sure. 
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« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2011, 11:26:32 PM »

Thanks guys!
Here's another interesting shot.
Both stones graded "Fancy Yellow" by GIA.
Some people feel GIA is stricter on Medium and Strong Blue yellow stones
Can you see a difference here?
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« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2011, 07:03:22 AM »

I did not even look at the labels until after the fact, but I do see that the medium blue is stronger in color.  I'll check it out on another screen later to see what that looks like.
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« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2011, 07:32:36 AM »

Well, F...ancy Yellow me! On my work computer the W-X looks nearly white. And there is next to no difference in the two FY. On my home computer (I'm working at home today, so I can get them side by side, and before the snide remarks, this is my lunch break!) there is a definite difference between the MBF and the inert FY, with the fluorescent stone clearly showing more colour.

I think it's an unavoidable result of the fact that the grading light is NOT UV free.

The W-X shows more tint on the "home" PC too. Lenovo 1 - HP 0
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« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2011, 09:04:00 AM »

Since there is a RANGE of color intensity within each color grade, it COULD be that fluorescing R4018 would still be more intense in color (within the FY color grade) than non-fluorescing R4014, even if fluorescence were not present in R4018... correct? In other words, R4018 is closer to the FLY-end of the FY-range, whereas R4014 is closer to the FIY-end of the range.

In fact, I am thinking that it MUST be in this case since, the fluorescence in R4018 is medium blue – and blue and yellow are opposites on the color wheel – the medium blue fluorescence should cancel-out some of the yellow color in the stone. If it were a yellow fluorescence, I would expect the yellow color of the diamond to deepen... however, not so with the blue. It would be interesting to see a comparison of these two stones in natural sunlight.

I am intrigued to hear that GIA may grade a bit tighter on stones with fluorescence. As long as they are consistent...  dontknow
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« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2011, 09:11:11 AM »

D, are you implying that R4018 might be rich enough in color to have been titled FIY if it didn't have the fluorescence? Did, in fact, the blue fluorescence visually knock-out enough color to make the stone appear one grade lighter?
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