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« on: March 06, 2008, 11:25:54 PM »

What can you tell me about "clarity enhanced" diamonds?  How are they treated?  Are they less durable? Is the treatment visible to the naked eye?

What is the value compared to diamonds that haven't been "enhanced"? 

Thanks for any information you can give me.  I'm a new member, but have read a lot on this forum.
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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2008, 11:32:50 PM »

Let's flag this one for David!

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As far as I'm aware, any clarity enhancing treatment CAN be reversed, which would make the diamond *theoretically* less durable.. but I don't know much on the subject.
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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2008, 08:08:03 AM »

Hi Kate,  Thanks for taking the time to post!  I love to "meet" the people who read the forum.  I'm going to leave it to David to fully answer your question, but I just wanted to encourage you to make yourself at home and jump in anywhere! 

Thanks for flagging it Sarahbelle  Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2008, 12:33:05 PM »

What can you tell me about "clarity enhanced" diamonds?  How are they treated?  Are they less durable? Is the treatment visible to the naked eye?

What is the value compared to diamonds that haven't been "enhanced"? 

Thanks for any information you can give me.  I'm a new member, but have read a lot on this forum.

Hi everybody!
I will have to admit that I am prejudiced... I do not like clarity enhanced diamonds.
Generally speaking, the term "clarity enhanced" referrs heavily imperfect diamonds that had silicon injected into them through an open fracture.
This is done with diamonds that are not desirable to begin with.  It does not generally change their value.  For example-lets say a reasonably nice one carat diamond starts at around $3000.  Taking a $1000 piece of crap and injecting the silicon into it to make it look slightly better will not increase its value significantly, if at all.


As far as I'm aware, any clarity enhancing treatment CAN be reversed, which would make the diamond *theoretically* less durable.. but I don't know much on the subject.

The treatment can be reversed, however, not when you want to reverse it-and it might not be fully reversible.  What I am saying is that once you inject this stuff into the diamond, you can't take it out when you want.  But if diamond is set into a ring and the ring is worked on (exposed to heat), some of the plastic filling may run out... this could cause a nasty surprise if you didn't know that the diamond was filled to start out with.  But that is kind of unlikely as it's fairly obvious when this is done.

The other type of enhancement, which is not nearly as invasive, and not really a problem, is laser drilling.  In the case of the diamond having a black spot, which might look better as a white spot, a channel is drilled to the black spot in the diamond is boiled an acid.
This will turn the black carbon into a white spot.  This is not reversible.
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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2008, 02:12:12 PM »

And all this would be done after the diamond is cut, right?

Do clarity-enhanced diamonds have to be represented as such?  IOW, do you think that unsuspecting consumers frequently buy enhanced diamonds unknowingly?

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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2008, 03:09:13 PM »

Thank you for the information.  It confirms that I really don't want an "enhanced" diamond.     Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2008, 03:25:34 PM »

And all this would be done after the diamond is cut, right?
YES

Do clarity-enhanced diamonds have to be represented as such?  IOW, do you think that unsuspecting consumers frequently buy enhanced diamonds unknowingly?

--Robin

This is a very good question, Robin!
Yes, ethics dictate that enhanced diamonds be advertised as such.
Of course we all know there are some dealers that really don't give a hoot about ethics.
There are also plenty of consumers would like to believe that they can buy a 2.00 G/SI1 for $5,000... this would give a willing audience to sellers who don't care about ethics.

I think the thing to keep in mind is that most sellers are honest, by and large. 

Second of all, it's unlikely that anybody would be fooled by one of these enhanced diamonds anyway.
Third of all, most shoppers are more intelligent.  If something sounds too good to be true, people generally are skeptical.
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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2008, 04:50:07 PM »

What a fascinating thread!  If you don't mind, I'd like to add a few bits ......

In the UK, there's not too much laser drilling of diamonds and therefore most High Street jewellers wouldn't know what to look for!  I only know this because I bought (without realising) a clarity enhanced diamond from America (sorry).  When I looked through the loupe I could clearly see 3 black very straight lines and suspected laser drilling but having never seen it before, wasn't sure.  I took it to a jeweller who had no idea what it was and thought it was an inclusion!  Doh!  Eventually I took it to a highly reputable valuation society and they confirmed the laser drilling.

The diamond was valued at the colour and grade it appeared to the valuer BUT she then dropped the clarity by one grade to account for the lasering. 

Thankfully you can only see the lines through a loupe and when you look at the side of the diamond.  I'll try and take a picture and post it up if you'd like?

Just as an aside, the guy I bought it from in America told me categorically it hadn't been clarity enhanced.  When I challenged him (after seeing it for myself) he eventually admitted that it "might" have been!  I got a partial refund but that's not the point!  I had asked all the questions before parting with my money but still got scammed.   Sad

Lesson learned the hard way!
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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2008, 07:20:53 PM »

That's awful, Sparrow! I hope you reported the seller if it was on eBay, or made a complaint if it was an online store. That is so, so rude and deceptive, and they're only getting away with it because they don't have to deal with you face to face. If they could see how annoyed you are (and how close to picketing their store!) they'd give a refund lickety-split.
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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2008, 07:34:16 PM »

I agree, that's just not right Sparrow!!
In terms of specifics, laser drilling is quite a different story than filling a diamond.  In fact, laser drilling does not actually change clarity grade a diamond.
As I wrote above, a laser is used to drill a channel to the black spot inside the diamond.  Then the diamond is boiled in acid, turning the black spot white  Whatever imperfection was there before the drilling will be there after the drilling, although a white imperfection may be less visible than the black imperfection.
There will also be a clearly visible "channel" where the laser drilled into the diamond.  It would also be possible to spot the hole in the skin of the diamond laser went through.  In spite of all this, it sounds worse than it is, GIA will actually grade diamond that has had this procedure done.
So, not to defend the slimeball in question, but laser drilling is really not in the same category as "clarity enhancement".  Regardless, the seller should disclose this, no question about that.
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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2008, 04:54:03 PM »

 I have to say that I was more annoyed because I'd specifically asked the question and been assured that it wasn't clarity enhanced in any way.   Angry  If I wasn't a gemstone/diamond nerd and didn't own a loupe I wouldn't have perhaps found out.  As you say, David treatments should be disclosed and thank you for your reassurance.  I guess the valuer downgraded by a grade because of the laser lines themselves rather than the clarity overall (if that makes sense?).

Just as a matter of interest the laser lines go from the bottom of the stone up the side in 3 straight lines reasonably near to each other.  There doesn't appear to be a surface hole on the table and the lines appear to stop short of it.  I thought that laser drilling was normally done through the table and then the hole plugged - is this wrong?Huh??

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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2008, 05:07:07 PM »

The skin of the diamond is the skin of the diamond... if it's closer to get there from the bottom that's the direction they should take.
Good point about the lines made by the laser... I suppose that could affect the clarity
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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2008, 05:16:38 PM »

Makes sense now!  The mist has cleared!  Thank you! 
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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2008, 07:50:51 PM »

Now I'm really curious to see this myself!

Cockneysparrow, I don't suppose you have a super zoom on your camera?  Wink I'm going to try google and see if I can see what you guys are talking about!
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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2008, 04:54:50 PM »

I've just tried to photograph mine and, errrrrr, well my super zoom isn't super zoom enough!  Have found these that you may be interested in.

Before lasering:


After:


Close up showing laser line and point of entry:


More pics (different diamond) multiple lasering:




I found this additional info:  Some lasering can be very obvious to see under the scope while some can be very difficult. It really depends on how deep they drilled into the stone and the location of the drilling. It can almost virtually impossible to see when the diamond is observed face up, as the drilling is typically done perpendicular to the facet on which the black inclusion is. Face up, the laser drill hole is so tiny it looks like a pin point inclusion. When you tilt the diamond on a slant you make make out, not only the laser drill hole but also the canal or tunnel the laser made from the surface of the diamond to the black inclusion. Here are some examples of what this looks like under the microscope. If the diamond was not tilted you wouldn't see it.

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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2008, 05:30:01 PM »

Those are some excellent detail shots.
They really give you an idea of how to spot a laser drill hole with a loupe
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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2008, 05:38:49 PM »

Nice! Thanks so much for those Sparrow, it really makes it clear what you and David were talking about now!
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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2008, 07:02:38 PM »

I saw them with my naked eye on a stone in a pawn shop.  Three little holes very uniformly made on the pavilion.  I will be honest that it scared me a little...one thing,  the diamond was super white.  My experience has been that super white diamonds over a carat do not make it to sleazy pawn shops without there being some catch.  I know that if you have a ring,  with a fracture filled stone, worked on by a jeweler and they do not know, they can shatter the stone...also David, if you heat a fracture filled stone it can get cloudy in those areas, right?   david

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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2008, 09:51:25 AM »

You know, I really don't see what was done in those pictures as an improvement.  It all just looks messy to me.  I guess that may be just because they are so close up.  I really don't mind a diamond having inclusions if it is honestly sold, but I don't think I would want to buy a diamond that could shatter down the road.
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« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2008, 09:15:56 PM »

WOW - very interesting!  Thanks for sharing.
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« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2008, 11:10:41 AM »

Very, very good post and great info there David.

Here is a classic example:
Gem Type: 100% Natural Diamonds
Carat Weight: 1.10 Total Carat
Cut: Round Brilliant
Color: White (GH)
Clarity: VS-SI
Gram Weight: 1.00 grams
Metal Type: Solid 14K White Gold
Measurements: 5.00 mm; Screw Backs
Treatment: Natural
E. Retail Price: $2,350.00
Price: $799.00
Was $2,350.00
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« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2008, 12:11:45 PM »

Those pictures were really interesting! 

Pip, I don't see anything that indicates that those diamonds are enhanced, but the price sounds "too good to be true." 
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« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2008, 12:21:30 PM »

Those pictures were really interesting! 

Pip, I don't see anything that indicates that those diamonds are enhanced, but the price sounds "too good to be true." 

Me:
You can send me the link however a couple of questions:

 1. Are they treated in any form?

2. What institute have they been graded by?

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Stated along with the stats:

DESCRIPTION
 
These gorgeous earrings have Ravishing Round Brilliant White Diamond clarity enhanced set in Solid 14K White Gold. These Earrings come with Screw Backs.
Take a look at the color of these beautiful diamonds. Who wouldn't love them? This is an ideal gift for any Diamond Lover. These are good, quality Diamonds, as you can see in the pictures. Selling earrings like this one is how we've become the leader in quality Diamond sales on ebay. She is sure to love and cherish for the rest of her life.
 
CERTIFICATE OF AUTHENTICITY
 
To guarantee the reliable quality of this item and give you the ultimate peace of mind and confidence, we have provided you with a Certificate of Authenticity containing a detailed grading report.

Every Certificate includes detailed information about the 4 important characteristics of a diamond (the 4 C's): color, cut, clarity and carat weight; a picture of the item, and the appraisal value.
 

 
1. They are clarity enhanced
 
2. They come with a full certificate of authenticity
 
If I can be of further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact me.


This was just out of plain curiousity a few minutes ago as i had a little time to kill on the comp.
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« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2008, 12:27:31 PM »

Well then that's blatent mis-selling.  He states under treatment "natural".  Clarity enhancement is NOT natural.
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« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2008, 01:56:26 PM »

Very Informative Thread! I always wondered about clarity enhancement...
Now I know for sure, they are not for me.

Thanks for the info you all!!

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