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« on: May 22, 2011, 05:26:38 PM »

I'm sure I could Google this but I'm a bit lazy right now and I've been thinking about this for a while.

A few weeks ago my family and I were enjoying a wonderful vacation at the House of the Mouse aka Walt Disney World.   As I was riding the Pooh ride, I noticed something odd about my Sunny.  Now this is one of those black light intense rides.  Very cute and of course my nearly 3.5 year old son loved it. 

Now before I go on, I love fluor in stones.  I'd be thrilled if every single one of mine had some level of fluor.  Admittedly when I bought Sunny she came with a GIA color report only (good enough for me) and I never bothered to ask.  I never noticed much color change when I went outside, though many times she would look more vibrant.

So when I rode this ride, Sunny would start glowing faintly... but noticeably yellow.  My other stronger fluor stones would light up a lighter shade of blue and then the ones that were more or less inert would just sparkle brightly.

The question... do different black lights/UV lights create a different look in diamonds?  I've looked at Sunny via UV light but could never see any real blue fluor.  Now I wonder does she ever so faintly have a different color?  Or is this an odd trick of the eye with the black light.

I rode this particular ride twice and she glowed twice, so it made me wonder.
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« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2011, 06:18:26 PM »

As far as I know, if there is fluorescence in a colored diamond, it's best if it's the same color as the diamond.  It should make the color more intense in sunlight.  There are different wavelengths of UV light available.  Many run-of-the-mill blacklights are at 395 nm, which is close to the visible light spectrum.  With this light, you may not see fluorescence as "vividly".  There are also lights available to the general public that are 365 nm, which is more into the ultraviolet range (which BTW ranges from 10 nm to 400 nm).  Also, different wavelengths of UV light can make the stones fluoresce differently. Incidently, shortwave UV light has germicidal properties.  They last two factoids were from Wikipedia.

I have a Streamlight 365 nm UV penlight that I use for looking at fluorescence in diamonds and my lovely Burmese ruby.

For those of us who have pets who have "accidents" and you can't find the source of the resultant odor, you can use your UV light in the dark to look for the glow from the proteins in the urine.

Here's the Wikipedia search link that I used, for those interested.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet
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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2011, 09:25:56 PM »

Thanks for the handy homemaker tip, DAF!  I never thought of using black light to find kitty 'accidents'.  How cool.
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« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2011, 10:21:29 PM »

I have used the Uv lights to find protein... though did it when my son potty trained LOL.  It's great except on very light colored carpeting that also glows Wink

I know the UV lights had to be very strong in the ride.  I guess I sort of wonder if I was seeing something beyond the UV, but then why would the UV show up?  I have no clue what wavelength my UV light is nor what is the best for viewing UV in stones.  I do know a teeny ruby I own looks beautifully red under it even in broad daylight.
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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2011, 10:44:39 PM »

Aside from the different external light sources, remember that fluorescence in diamonds may be present in any one of several different hues as well as intensities. Sunny would look one way fluorescing medium yellow, and Sunny might look quite another way fluorescing faint blue...
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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2011, 03:54:06 AM »

There are stones (including diamonds) that fluoresce with different colours to different UV lengths. All to do with the energy of UV photons matching or exceeding the admissible energy levels of the electrons in the crystal.

The shorter the wavelength, the higher the energy of the photon, the more displacement in energy level - unless you hit on something where more than one wavelength photon is emitted at any one time, or where the photon is reabsorbed and re-emitted as two or more photons of lower energy. Isn't quantum mechanics a lovely thing and clear as mud?

Also, the intensity of the light and the absence of other lighting sources can play strange tricks on a human brain used to interpret visible light. When I use my UV light in total darkness, I swear I can see some stones glowing pink - in reality it's white fluorescence blended with the purple of the visible component of the UV light.
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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2011, 10:12:07 AM »

Trink I am aware that diamonds do fluor in all kinds of colors, but that blue is rather common.  In my brain I assumed if she did have flour it would be blue.  But if she has a little yellow instead it would explain why she always looks more yellow once in the sun.

I never asked about it as fluor isn't a deal breaker for me ever.  I like it honestly but if a stone has it or not, I won't turn it down if I otherwise love it.

OMC clear as mud yep Wink  but I was wondering if they do flour at different wavelengths.  On this ride I did notice the blues were not quite as strong color of blue as my UV pen, but they were much more noticeable as a fluor stone.  Some of our clothes showed blotches from where the color was not even.  We can't see it with our eye, but in the black light it is noticeable.  I m sure protein would show up big time there too LOL.

Today is dreary so I might look t Sunny and a few other stones I have again just to see if I can tell more.  I loved seeing Sunny glow.  I do notice what you see as well sometimes OMC, the color of the UV light can make the fluor look like a different color.

This really fascinates me and i am so glad I noticed it on the ride.  
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« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2011, 10:36:19 AM »

There are stones (including diamonds) that fluoresce with different colours to different UV lengths. All to do with the energy of UV photons matching or exceeding the admissible energy levels of the electrons in the crystal.
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« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2011, 12:08:07 PM »

Now I wonder if I could find out what kid of black lights they use on the ride to compare with.  I don't have the info on my pen, but I m sure I could find it to compare.

Really dumb question now.  Is it common to have diamonds do different colors depending on the wave length?  Or is that more rare?

I've read up a lot on diamonds and tried to learn but I fully admit fluor was always the least talked about subject.
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« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2011, 01:04:40 PM »

Not that common; in practice it depends on the impurities in the diamond and the way they crystallise/interact with the carbon. Blue diamonds usually go red under SW independent of the colour - if any - under LW, and HPHT-grown ones go green because of the nickel catalyst used in production, but I cannot find references to other general categories, so I guess it's relatively rare.
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« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2011, 01:31:12 PM »

Thanks!  Like I said I was curious but too lazy to research right now.  I figured someone here knew more than me.  Of course the sun came out but I can always go into my walk in closet that is dark to see.  I don't know why but I never really looked at Sunny all that close.  Particularly after I found a few of my stones had medium to strong looking blue fluor.

Someone did claim that rides at Disneyland run at 365nm wavelength so maybe Walt Disney World is similar.  My pen light I can't find information on and my flashlight supposedly runs at about 395-405nm (that one sucks though)
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