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« on: March 03, 2009, 07:55:53 PM »

Hi everyone!
Although we don't carry irradiated diamonds in our inventory, we've had requests for them.
Even though we prefer natural colored diamonds, some people want the treated stones.
We recently got some in for a client- so we can all have a peek together.
This box conatins 15 stones that run the gamut of what's avaialable in smaller sizes irradiated diamonds.

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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2009, 09:14:13 PM »

Hey David -

Do they make red or plum colors?  What is the quality of irradiated stones?  Are they more fragile?  Do they fade?

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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2009, 09:35:45 PM »

The color is usually sort of surreal.
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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2009, 09:52:06 PM »

Hey David -

Do they make red or plum colors?  What is the quality of irradiated stones?  Are they more fragile?  Do they fade?

Mikla
There are imperfect irradiated stones, and cleaner ones as well.
They are not inherently more fragile- and the treatment is supposed to be permananet



The stone all the way at the bottom in pretty close to a plum color.
I don't believe red is possible, but I'll check
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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2009, 10:00:20 PM »

Huh, interesting. The two yellowy greenies at the bottom of the close-up shot look quite like some little demantoids I have. I really like that color. I see they appear more yellow in the other photos.
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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2009, 10:17:51 PM »

Hey David -

Do they make red or plum colors?  What is the quality of irradiated stones?  Are they more fragile?  Do they fade?

Mikla
There are imperfect irradiated stones, and cleaner ones as well.
They are not inherently more fragile- and the treatment is supposed to be permananet



The stone all the way at the bottom in pretty close to a plum color.
I don't believe red is possible, but I'll check

Oh David -

Plum, plum, plum!  Would you take a shot of the little plum guy by himself in the daylight with your "stone holder" - sorry, I don't know the name of the tool you use to pick up and hold diamonds.  duhsign  The plums and blues are so cool!  Are they ever used as melee, such as in a halo?

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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2009, 03:32:21 AM »

Huh, interesting. The two yellowy greenies at the bottom of the close-up shot look quite like some little demantoids I have. I really like that color. I see they appear more yellow in the other photos.

Should we call them garnetoid diamonds?

Answering Mikla's questions for David: it's a pair of tweezers (duhsign, really) and yes, I have seen irradiated stones used in halo/pave work as well as centre stones. Ebay is chock-full of them.
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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2009, 03:58:05 AM »

For me, the treatment seems to diminish the certain unique something that makes a diamond special and well, diamond-like. I don't care for them, but then the colours are lovely, so I can see why people do love them.
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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2009, 07:38:27 AM »

Huh, interesting. The two yellowy greenies at the bottom of the close-up shot look quite like some little demantoids I have. I really like that color. I see they appear more yellow in the other photos.

Should we call them garnetoid diamonds?

Answering Mikla's questions for David: it's a pair of tweezers (duhsign, really) and yes, I have seen irradiated stones used in halo/pave work as well as centre stones. Ebay is chock-full of them.

I thought it was called something else because it has notches to hold the stone and a device which clamps the tool securely around any particular stone at a certain width.  This makes it easy to move the whole works around.   N1oops03HL2 Blond-Moment

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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2009, 07:42:45 AM »

 Grin  Kiss

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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2009, 07:48:45 AM »

Don't worry, OMC, we'll oust you yet...  yar
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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2009, 10:14:21 AM »

Mikla - what you are describing are locking tweezers. I don't think David uses them. Gem tweezers - as opposed to the cosmetic or surgical varieties - have notches to hold the gem.

In my opinion locking tweezers are an instrument of the devil. They make you believe the stone is safely held, and then they spit it out in the most unthinkable direction over the hardest surface under the deepest piece of furniture in the darkest corner of room. Evil things.
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« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2009, 10:25:26 AM »

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In my opinion locking tweezers are an instrument of the devil. They make you believe the stone is safely held, and then they spit it out in the most unthinkable direction over the hardest surface under the deepest piece of furniture in the darkest corner of room. Evil things.

Hahaha! They seem to have a mind of their own, don't they, OMC! After one near-miss event as you've described, with no other option (ie, gem tweezers), generally I prefer to pick something up with my fingers... that says a lot for my disdain regarding the locking b*stards, because I'm no smooth operator!
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« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2009, 03:34:26 PM »

Locking tweezers have their place.
No question for someone who knows how to use tweezers, they are a pain in the butt.
However, many people can't really use tweezers, and the locking ones are good for this- of course you need to make sure not to put the little clip too tight,  or the stone can indeed pop put into space somewhere....

Sorry about the poor quality photo.....

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« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2009, 03:43:35 PM »

Looks like a delicious pinky-red candy... yummm...
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« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2009, 04:54:58 PM »

That is a very nice colour. I've only seen a few irradiated diamonds irl and they didn't seem to sparkle, but it occurs to me that they might have been not so great stones in terms of cut, which would have accounted for their apparent flatness, maybe.

How does that one perform in comparison to a similarly cut white and to a natural pink? (Roughly, I mean. I guess there are a lot of variables in there.)

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« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2009, 05:27:49 PM »

The pink seems to be a pretty color in the photos.  I'm curious though, how do they perform against diamonds that aren't treated?  Huh?
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« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2009, 07:32:48 PM »

Perform in what sense?

They provide short-term relief to the lower wallet, but the long term effects in that area are more difficult to determine. Physically, they are still diamonds after the treatment, so refractive/reflective properties haven't changed, at least for visible light (infrared/UV absorption is sometimes different, depending on the treatment).
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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2009, 07:49:47 PM »

Actually, I feel that irradiated diamonds tend to sparkle a little less than their un-nuked counterparts.
Especially the darker colors.
If we're talking the sky blue ones, there's still a lot of sparkle.....
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« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2009, 07:52:02 PM »

But it's still a 'treated' not 'natural' diamond.  sigh... Embarrassed
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« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2009, 07:54:01 PM »

Well, if you want enabling, then look at it this way. Diamonds aren't naturally cut and polished either...
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« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2009, 07:56:11 PM »

Actually, I feel that irradiated diamonds tend to sparkle a little less than their un-nuked counterparts.
Especially the darker colors.
If we're talking the sky blue ones, there's still a lot of sparkle.....

Why don't they sparkle as much?   They are still natural diamonds which have been irradiated out of the ground.  As I understand it, irradiation occurs in nature in the ground as well.  Is this correct?
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« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2009, 08:02:41 PM »

Yes it does - in fact natural pure green diamonds are green because they have been irradiated.

I suspect the way the radiation creates colour has to do with it - it basically does that by either creating impurities (such as boron) in the crystal by knocking protons out of nuclei, or knocking whole atoms out of the lattice. If too many colour centres are created this way (and they need to be many, in order to have enough colour for the whole stone; the coloured bit is only skin deep in many cases), then transparency may be affected.
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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2009, 08:43:06 PM »

In terms of natural, or man made irradiation, that's an interesting point.
Are they equivalent?


From what I'm looking at- admittedly a smaller sampling- the really dark colors in the blues and pink almost look black- not a lot of flashes of light.
The darker green still has some sparkle.

If we compare to natural ( non irradiated) brown diamonds- they can have very deep color, and still throw back a lot of flashes of light.


It might also have to do with what the diamonds look like before they were irradiated....
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« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2009, 11:33:55 PM »

I think the lack of sparkle has to do with the cut and clarity of the stone prior to irradiation.  I was under the impression that the diamonds could not be subjected to heat; if so there would be color loss.

In 1991, a customer wanted a rainbow ring; man! those stones were gorgeous, colorful and sparkling!

I was in charge of the gamma source at the blood center (We nuked units of red blood cells to kill the white blood cells to prevent graft vs-host reactions the in the transfused patients, particularly newborns and those with immunosuppressed systems.)   Of course I was continuing to visit my jeweler friends, and one got the bright idea that I should irradiate diamonds for him. 
NOT!!!

First of all we were not licensed by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission to nuke diamonds, and secondly, just who did he think was going to handle and store those "hot " diamonds.  I was not getting radiation burns and having my digits amputated bit by bit over the years.  The destruction of one exposure never ends; the fleshy tissue and bones continue to die a slow and painful death!

I had no idea what the procedure was for handling and cooling down irradiated diamonds, and I wasn't going to find out!

Coincidently, just a couple of weeks ago, my local jeweler asked if my FIY with trills was irradiated because the color is so intense. hehehe!...Way to go David.   icon_thumleft
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