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« on: January 31, 2007, 11:44:29 PM »

David, maybe you can enlighten me on "champagne colored" diamonds.  Given that us girls are ga-ga over the browns lately, what is a champagne diamond?  Are they less expensive than yellows?  I would love to see some examples...
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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2007, 12:32:07 AM »

Great question CH!  I've always used light brown and champagne interchangeably (is that word?) to describe brownish diamonds I've seen. Perhaps that's not correct to do so. Hmmmm.

I know that champagnes (or browns - whatever) can have underlying colors like more yellow, more green, more pink. And of course go from faint and light through the darkest to cognac.

I once bought a 1+ ct champagne stone on ebay from a vendor who had really good references from other people I knew. I got the stone and LOVED the color, but it had carbon inclusions all over it and I just couldn't be happy with that, so had to send it back. But the color was soooooooo cool looking in person! I've always wanted another one... someday!

Just for reference, here's a pic of my tiny champagne studs in yellow gold next to my G/H princess studs.

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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2007, 12:34:17 AM »

Those are lovely studs...that is a fabulous color!
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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2007, 04:01:57 AM »

Great question CH.  I would probably be partial to a light brown/champagne diamond - I love my brown asscher to bits.  Isn't it funny how your tastes change once you are surrounded by a wealth of information and like minded individuals?  I have had so many diamond desires that I would never have contemplated a few years ago.  I can appreciate even the tiniest aspect of a diamond now. 
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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2007, 07:13:38 AM »

Bumping this for D.
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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2007, 01:15:43 PM »

I'm curious too.......I always thought they were just light brown.

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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2007, 06:56:02 PM »

I have to be honest, I was a little hesitant to buy my FLBY ring ...I just couldn't get past the term brown and I feared it would be like all the browns I had seen in person.    But low and behold.... It knocked my socks off!   DJ....you couldn't have said it any better ...my diamond desires have changed completely from a few years ago.   So has my bank account! LOL!~Ronda
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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2007, 07:53:03 PM »

Hey CH,
Excellent Thread!

The first thing to discuss it labels.
If GIA called a diamond "Fancy Brown", it would mean something

Champagne doesn't really have a gemological basis, as a term.


Even diamonds GIA classifies as "brown" show many different color faces.

Let  me turn this one around on y'all.....
What does the term "Champagne" mean to you?


Heres'a 3.88 Fancy Brownish Yellow.....


What sayeth thou's?
Champagne, or no?
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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2007, 08:18:08 PM »

Now, I could be wrong here.....but I think Champagne is a marketing term used by some of the mines (like the Argyle here in Australia) to make the yellow/brown stuff they were digging out of the ground sound more acceptable to a higher caliber of clientele.

I have to say, I was not a fan.......but I'm coming around.  I think its to do with quality like anything else - there are apples and apples - you know what  I mean?  Say you were given a flowering awful apple, you'd say you didn't like apples...but have a crisp sweet juicy thing, and apples are great!! Makes sense?
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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2007, 08:25:45 PM »

I have to agree w/ what Ruby said about making the stone sound more desirable... I have always thought of Champagne diamonds as the ones in the L-R range or so...

I'm clueless! Huh?
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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2007, 08:27:49 PM »

I think it's a marketing term but I did not know if a certain color was considered "champagne" other than diamonds with a brown tint. I think the term "champagne" makes it sound more desirable.
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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2007, 08:29:31 PM »

Well most of the champagne or I've also heard them referred to as candlelight diamonds, that I've seen, have a warm golden tone to them. With flashes of pink and yellow. And I agree with Rubymu, I have always heard them associated with the argyle(sp?) mine. But that probably is a creation of marketing for that mine.
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« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2007, 03:28:22 AM »

I sayeth I like that diamond, David!  Colorwise, it looks a little dark to be what I would think of as champagne.  I would think of a lighter shade of that color as being 'champagne'.

Yes absolutely I think the 'champagne' term is a clever way to market what would once have been undesirabe stones.  I have to admit that I would be open to one but I would be very picky about it.  What am I talking about?!  I would only buy it from David and he's the pickiest picker I know!!!

Anyway, back to the original point: a diamond that the spin doctors would call champagne would garner a grade of some kind of brown from GIA - right?
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« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2007, 06:26:56 AM »

Hmm...David, I wouldn't call that diamond a champagne (at least not what I perceive as champagne.)  That one seems to be clearly in the yellow family.
 
I thought that champagnes had their own coloring system...C1, C2, etc.  No?  Here is a picture from eBay...advertised as champagne. 

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« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2007, 07:43:27 AM »

Peachy.  That's the color that springs to mind looking at that pic - I like it!
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« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2007, 10:50:15 AM »

I have always thought that diamonds that show a yellow tint are in the D to Z range on into fancy yellows. I would not consider a stone labeled O P R S T etc to be a champagne diamond.

Champagnes are most definetely brown. Some are very light brown and range to dark brown. Most often with a hint of peach, pink, or orangey-red.

The diamond above looks to me like a fancy yellow-brown of some degree. And not what I would consider a champagne diamond.

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« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2007, 10:55:02 AM »

I wouldn't consider that FBY radiant a champagne diamond (but it's VERY BEAUTIFUL).......at least not what I visualize as a champagne. It looks to be more in the yellow category to me. I think of a champagne as a light to medium brown. But what do I know, I'm no pro.

Just my 2 cents.

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« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2007, 11:01:11 AM »

What's interesting about this so far, is that there is not really any sure fire agreement as to what 'champagne' is.  I think perhaps the term isn't acknowledged by GIA as it isn't defined like regular colors.  Given that the color can vary so much (with the aforementioned peach, pink, orange-red tones), how does the champagne grading system work and why not just use GIA to grade the color?  Marketing.  Plain and simple.

I want to know what kind of color grade GIA would give to many of these champagne stones.
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« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2007, 01:21:35 PM »

When sellers of any product assign names to it, it's hype. Period.
For example, the term "Radiant Cut" is an invention of the cutter. In fact, there's not a whole lot of hype surrounding the name "Radiant Cut"
BUT- you won't find the term on a GIA report.
And you'll see plenty of stones with different facet patterns being called "Radiant Cut".
This may lead to some confusion.....

In the case of "Champagne" the grading sysytem, and name IS an invention of the "Argyle" compnay- as was suggested earlier.


GIA will grade using clinical terms such as "Fancy Light Brown"
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« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2007, 01:30:59 PM »

Thanks for the info, David.  It's good to know.

So the grading system is their little invention too, huh?  I'm guessing no diamond dealer worth his salt uses the 'C' scale then?
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« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2007, 01:41:29 PM »

No wonder I know so little about champagne diamonds. I work with a diamond dealer worth more than salt!
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« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2007, 01:46:50 PM »

LOL!  Tell me that's not a British saying and I haven't just sounded like a dork!!!!
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« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2007, 01:50:56 PM »

LOL!  Tell me that's not a British saying and I haven't just sounded like a dork!!!!

Nope, it's pretty much a universal phrase. Salt was pretty important in every society...now I sound like a dork. I'm  an archaeologist/anthropologist so I'm full of useless information regarding past cultures. Smiley
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« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2007, 01:56:43 PM »

Thanks jewel Wink!
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« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2007, 02:00:24 PM »

He he. I've just spent the last 10 minutes remembering all the information I know about salt. How sad is that? Pretty amazing though what an important role it has played throughout history...ugh, ok, I need to stop. I'm just so bored with the report I am writing for work that I am finding "thinking about salt" more entertaining.
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