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« on: December 02, 2008, 10:08:24 AM »

There are companies that are incorporating black diamonds into their holiday products, i.e., earrings, pendants, bracelets, rings, etc. in pave format in the last year or so but I am now seeing black diamond solitaire rings, too.  For example, Carmen Electra was given a large black diamond engagement ring earlier in the year.  What are black diamonds about?  Are there grades or color references for them?  Are they certified in any way?  What should they cost per carat?  Does DBL carry black diamonds?  I know you carry all other colors of diamonds? 
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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2008, 10:45:57 AM »

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I'll flag the expert and he'll give you the scoop. I think he might even have a photo of a black diamond in the rough.
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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2008, 10:49:28 AM »

Great question Docram!
One main reason we do not carry black diamonds: We only carry natural fancy colored diamonds, and all black diamonds are irradiated.
I have seen a lot of places offering these stones without disclosing that part.

I have seen many black diamonds- in fact we saw one last week over 100carats.

In addition to the natural /irradiated issue, I'll admit that I like diamonds that are not opaque. To me black diamonds are similar to onyx in appearance.
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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2008, 02:05:31 PM »

I had to come back and check out this reply so I can learn something. They look like onyx to me, too.
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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2008, 02:18:03 PM »

To complete the answers to your questions to the best of my limited knowledge:

There are no gradings for colour (they are black. Period.) or clarity, since they are not transparent. Cut has limited impact, since they are opaque, so there is no particular benefit in grading them like one does with other diamonds, except on weight and that's easy enough to verify.

Availability is plentiful, and prices are low (but not that low - order of $100/$300 per carat retail).

The only advantage I can see compared to onyx is that they are much more durable/scratch resistant; on the other hand they are also a lot harder to work with, and many shapes that are attractive in onyx would be prohibitively difficult to get in black diamond (e.g. cabochons)

One final thought: coal is black too, and it's made of carbon...  Evil
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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2008, 03:06:30 PM »

Thanks OMC- I see that iI missed part of the question...
Are there grades or color references for them? 

1) As OMC mentioned, no grades, black is black so there's no color grade.
I will add that most black diamonds I have seen have surface abrasions and are not all that well polished.
It would be impossible to recognize if one was well cut, as no light can pass through them.
Since they are opaque, no clarity grading is applicable.


  Are they certified in any way?   

2) GIA will not issue a report on an irradiated diamond, so no. ( unless you consider the lesser labs, which we do not)

   What should they cost per carat?   

OMC was spot on here.
The prices should be quite a bit lower than gem quality diamonds.
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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2008, 04:45:41 PM »

One other thing I forgot to add:
Docram( or anyone reading this) If you really want a black diamond - or a piece of jewelry set with black diamonds, we will be glad to make one especially for you
It would not have a trade up possibility, as we would not stock them in the store....but if you want one, we can do it.
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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2008, 10:32:52 PM »

I've never seen a really good close up photo of a black diamond or black diamond jewelry.  Does anyone have photos to post?

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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2008, 11:34:12 PM »

I can see them in earrings, like hoops or something, but if I were Carmen Electra, I would be pissed.
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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2008, 08:13:32 PM »

David and CDI Forum Members - all great answers, thanks so much! 

I received my requisite London Jewelers holiday catalog and saw Stephen Webster, Cellini, Grisogono, Judith Ripka, Di Modolo, and more are using pave black diamonds in their holiday collections.  I recently saw a "to-die-for" set of chandelier earrings with rose cut black diamonds and black diamond briolette drops interspersed with white diamonds and I was trying to decipher the value-for-money aspect notwithstanding the fact that I would probably pay any money for these fabulous, unique earrings.

Hence the question posed to those who would know best about black diamonds - colored diamond experts!  I was always of the opinion that black diamonds were treated in some fashion so like enhanced or synthetic stones, I was staying away from them. But given I was seeing more and more black and white diamond jewelry, I thought you all could arm me with enough info to be dangerous! 

I think the pieces that I have seen up close with black rhodium are done well but it doesn't surprise me given they have huge price tags. 

David, I'll contact you directly to see what cool black diamond potential opportunities I may have in my future.

Thanks again to all!
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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2008, 08:28:19 PM »

Hmmm- Interesting you mention that Docram- when I've seen black stones- some were briolettes, and also rose cuts.
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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2008, 10:44:08 PM »

I am kicking myself because yesterday I was at a fundraising boutique and stopped at the table of an EXTREMELY overpriced local jeweler and was surprised to see a black diamond eternity band.  I almost tried it on and asked the price out of curiosity, but I didn't have a lot of time and knew I wouldn't buy, so I moved on.  Then I saw this thread and I am now dying to know her price!

I wouldn't want one for an engagement ring, but I do think they look cool mixed in with other colors.  I would just want a fair price and I guess I wouldn't know what that is. Oh, and I also saw a well known Beverly Hills jeweler is promoting rose gold necklaces with black diamond pave initial pendants. Just interesting to note it may be a new trend.
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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2009, 07:27:50 PM »

I dont think the return is worth the price IMO. As people have said due to its nature its hardly eye catching. I know my earring isnt and i know it isnt carbon lol
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« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2009, 10:03:07 PM »

Black diamonds are called hematite, as anyone worth their salt in the jewelry industry could tell you, and if you look it up, it has a metallic silver/gray look and is not faceted like a regular gemstone because it is opaque, which defeats the purpose. What is shown in the pictures there is something else entirely that was given a new name for marketing purposes, when in actuality something like what you have there would be considered a bad gemstone. Just a few years ago, if you tried to buy something like that, it wouldn't be worth anything. Really, a dark faceted stone like that, there is no point in faceting it because there's no way for light to shine through it, so most people don't go for those, thus the low value.

But if you love it, that's all that matters.
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« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2009, 09:11:53 AM »

Andy - sorry, but I have to disagree on a couple of points:

1. Hematite is not a black diamond. Hematite is ferric oxide (Fe2O3), and has nothing to do with diamonds. Hematite beads are a very dark brown, or grey, not black, have a metallic luster and can be polished for use in jewellery, but they are quite soft (~6 on Mohs's scale)

2. While there is no point in precise alignment of facets in a black diamond, the effect of reflection (which is still there) on a faceted surface is considerably different than that on a cabochon or pebble
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« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2009, 03:19:35 AM »

I think black diamond is special, but is it have some exact meaning? In China, there is always having some meaning in different colors.
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« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2010, 09:09:16 AM »

How one can gauge the clarity of a black colored diamonds ??
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« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2010, 08:07:54 PM »

i just would like to know what happened to that pear shaped black diamond David had a while back, that looked like the cosmos..... i thought you were gonna stock it. i actually liked it in a way.
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« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2010, 11:01:12 AM »

i think they are beautiful. I love the one that Carrie got in the last Sex and the City movie!!!
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« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2010, 11:36:38 AM »

How one can gauge the clarity of a black colored diamonds ??

Great question!
You can't judge the clarity of black diamonds- as they are generally opaque
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« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2010, 12:40:55 PM »

saq, what black pear?   i wanna see.  Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2010, 05:24:13 PM »

I must admit I never fancied owning a black diamond and hadn`t seen anything in black diamonds which grabbed me until a former colleague bought a honking big black cushion diamond and had it set into a chunky plain white gold setting. She wore it as a RHR and it just seemed to match everything.
I`m finding it hard to articulate how it looked, it didn`t sparkle like a white diamond would but it had a kind of a " sheen " to it and I had to eat my words and admit it was very fetching.
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« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2010, 06:58:26 PM »

saq, what black pear?   i wanna see.  Smiley

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http://coloreddiamon...h-pinks-incoming/50/
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« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2010, 07:43:51 PM »

here it is, thanks for the link.


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« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2010, 12:51:30 AM »

hmm, i like it, but not in a "i'm gonna pay for a diamond" kinda way.  makes more sense to me to pay much  less and find a  pretty smoky quarts, obsidian, or onyx.  unless it sparkles IRL more than i can tell from the photo. IMHO.
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