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« on: August 04, 2011, 09:02:15 PM »

Home alone, browsing eBay and came across this listing, which has one of David's pics in it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/...;hash=item25664e9185
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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2011, 01:56:49 AM »

That's an interesting ad, at the limit of fraud.

"Return only if the diamond is not described in GIA report".

Yeah, and since you cannot be arsed to take a picture of the diamond, you can take one of the genuine GIA report?

And is the buyer going to wear the report or the diamond?

Bah. Buyer beware is too little. What really annoys me is that there is no way of getting these *#!$("! to stop.
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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2011, 04:57:36 AM »

OOOh, I just realized that R1422 pic is being used also.
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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2011, 04:45:07 PM »

Gack.

 webmistress is there any way to get an emoticon of Bill the Cat hacking a hairball?

There is no other appropriate action or sound on finding such a thing.  I like ebay, and have made a number of purchases with great success.  Vendors like this damage the entire sales environment and ought to be shot on sight.  Oh, wait.  I"m not in Texas anymore.  Damn.
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« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2011, 02:14:02 AM »

Easy solution. Deport said vendors to Texas.
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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2011, 12:10:14 AM »

 violent4 I am done with these people.  This is crazy.  It would never cross my mind to do such a thing. 
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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2011, 04:43:44 PM »

...but you are honest, decent and fair.
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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2011, 05:38:37 PM »

I have to admit, after the other thread about certificates being sold sans the diamond, I got really concerned.  It just amazes me how dishonest this world has become, not that selling a certificate is dishonest, it's what the use is afterward that is disheartening.  I think the way to go with eBay is GIA cert with laser inscription on the girdle, or not at all. 
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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2011, 06:13:19 PM »

Easy solution. Deport said vendors to Texas.

Or failing that, toss them into the nearest body of water to my house.  James is retired Navy EOD, he can just blow them back out of the water..teach 'em a lesson Wink
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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2011, 06:28:38 PM »

I have to admit, after the other thread about certificates being sold sans the diamond, I got really concerned.  It just amazes me how dishonest this world has become, not that selling a certificate is dishonest, it's what the use is afterward that is disheartening.  I think the way to go with eBay is GIA cert with laser inscription on the girdle, or not at all. 

Even that is not altogether safe - laser inscriptions are easier to erase and replace than falsifying a GIA report. I think the main thing is to bear in mind that eBay is not "a vendor"; it's a marketplace. And just like 47th Street or any other marketplace it has its good, bad and downright ugly vendors. Picking the good ones and avoiding the others is what it comes down to.
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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2011, 06:30:51 PM »

Easy solution. Deport said vendors to Texas.

Or failing that, toss them into the nearest body of water to my house.  James is retired Navy EOD, he can just blow them back out of the water..teach 'em a lesson Wink

Why do you want to blow them out of the water? A 50 kg cement bag attached to their feet is not that expensive, and it gives a pretty good way of keeping them under without wasting time and energy. We can even paste the "GIA report" on it.
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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2011, 07:22:53 PM »

I have to admit, after the other thread about certificates being sold sans the diamond, I got really concerned.  It just amazes me how dishonest this world has become, not that selling a certificate is dishonest, it's what the use is afterward that is disheartening.  I think the way to go with eBay is GIA cert with laser inscription on the girdle, or not at all. 

Even that is not altogether safe - laser inscriptions are easier to erase and replace than falsifying a GIA report. I think the main thing is to bear in mind that eBay is not "a vendor"; it's a marketplace. And just like 47th Street or any other marketplace it has its good, bad and downright ugly vendors. Picking the good ones and avoiding the others is what it comes down to.

DAF, I hear where you're coming from. Since I get to walk down 47th St. every single day, I'm pretty jaded. Plus for me, looking it eBay… it's horrifying.
I can see so many bad sellers, and I see these sellers getting interest from unsuspecting buyers.

I could not agree more with OMC_ choose the seller carefully- if people take their eye off the ball, they can get hurt.
An example is exactly what OMC mentioned- if one believed a laser inscription was real protection, it lessens the perceived need to trust the seller.
It's certified, right?
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« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2011, 02:22:17 AM »

Here's another one I think. It sure looks like one of David's.

http://cgi.ebay.com/...;hash=item48419e6bf2

Is it possible for you to watermark your images at all??

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« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2011, 02:46:03 AM »

It's the same seller too. This is where it should become eBay's problem, but they just won't lift a finger.

Watermarking: yes, it can be done, but it takes time to make sure that the watermark does not end in a place where it spoils the photo, or where it can be removed without harm by a pirate. And with the quantity of photos David takes, it is a huge task.
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« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2011, 07:15:32 AM »

It would be hard to put a watermark that doesn't get in the way of the item and where they couldn't just crop it out.

Many people put a copy right sign on the bottom corner but really that does nothing when someone really wants the photo - too easy to crop.  Though I guess it can be seen as a deterrant for some.

Personally I would hate to cover up any part of a ring or diamond just to keep someone from stealing.
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« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2011, 09:02:06 AM »

What irks me is that not only are they stealing a picture, but there might be an unsuspecting person who doesn't  know that is not what they're getting.
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« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2011, 09:18:01 AM »

Not only that, but you can bet that whatever it is they get, it's nowhere near as nice.
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« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2011, 09:29:02 AM »

No kidding!

Ebay is tough... even those who use their own photos can hide things by photoshopping or using odd light angles.  I remember looking at a pink pear last week that was fugly.  Totally included and had zero sparkle.  The owner went on to say how gorgeous the stone was and that it was only slightly included - a big sparkler.

Any fool looking at the video would know they were lying.  Though someone really uneducated might not know diamonds are supposed to look better than that.

I always read through the seller's feedback to see what people say.  Having a godo refund policy that allows for 100% feedback never helps me as much as seeing how many times people say not as described.  I am not sure I'd have the guts to buy ebay items a lot.
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« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2011, 09:39:27 AM »

http://www.toolhaus.org

As close to salvation as one can get in the eBay world...
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