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« on: May 21, 2010, 04:27:45 AM »

Hi all,

This is going to be a long one, so bear with me and the saga, please? Smiley

I've been a lurker here for months, avidly absorbing everything I can, and soaking up more beautiful stones and jewellery than I've ever seen! This place is addictive as well as a very good education!  Grin  So, it was time to make an appearance and ask you a question. You've all given such great advice to newbies before, and I was really hoping that, with all your experience with jewellery and coloured diamonds, you'd be able to help us make a decision about my engagement / wedding ring (I will only be wearing this one on that hand, even after the wedding).

After seeing all the beautiful and unusual diamonds here, I knew I had to have a DBL stone. David has found us a beautiful coppery brown round brilliant for the centre stone, and now we have to decide how to set it. Although with being on here for a while, halo settings are really beginning to grow on me, I still personally don't like the look of one with a round stone, although I do love the contrast of the white diamonds against a nice rich-coloured stone like ours will be.

So, to solve this problem, my engineer fiancé has suggested a halo underneath the stone rather than around it, tilted or at an angle, so that it is there, but doesn't change the fact that from the top the ring looks like a solitaire. David called it something specific, but, for the life of me, I can't remember what he said. (I've tried to attach a photo of something similar we've found. I hope it comes out.) It shows the type of halo we're thinking of, although the rest of this setting is a lot more detailed than what we want: our shank will be plain.

So here comes my dilemma. With our budget, we have to make a decision about either doing the ring with the halo in 14kt white gold, or putting the stone into a plain cathedral solitaire setting in platinum. From the top, both designs will look very similar, but from an angle or from the side, the halo will come into play. David has given me a deadline in a week to make up my mind, so I really need your help, quick! Cheesy

What do you think? I'm not attached to the look of either metal; I've worn and loved both. I did have a slight concern about white gold yellowing over time, but David assured me last night that it's nothing to worry about with a DBL ring. Now I'm worried about durability, as this is a ring I'm going to wear every day for a long time, and I am left-handed, so my rings on that hand could be slightly more at risk, although of course I take them off when doing anything really heavy.

So on the one hand (excuse the bad pun; I couldn't think of another way of putting it) I think platinum would be better. On the other, I think the halo would be really beautiful. What do you think?


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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2010, 07:19:30 AM »

Hi Atlantys, congratulations on your engagement and welcome to CDI. I'm excited for you. So glad that you decided to participate!

For me, there is no easy answer to your dilemma. First, I LOVE coppery brown diamonds – they just may be my absolute favorite color in diamonds. I can't wait to see your beautiful diamond. Second, I think browns look absolutely stunning when there is a bit of colorless (white) around them for contrast and to make the beautiful color "pop" against your skin tones. For me, that bit of contrast really adds something special. And, like you, the round shape in a halo does not usually flatter my fingers (unless it is humongous... then, ANY shape flatters, hehe). Your design idea sounds gorgeous and unique. Very clever resolution.  Wink

And, therein lies my dilemma because making the ring with the contrasting whites is not an option for you in platinum (my favorite metal choice). I understand your frustration!

I adore gold if it is yellow, red; probably more than most. However, I always prefer platinum over white gold. I like platinum for its feel, weight and the fact that any wear marks that occur over time can be polished out (something about the idea of metal that moves about as opposed to wearing-away really appeals to me). Also, I do not mind the patina that unpolished or worn platinum usually takes-on over time. Some people DO mind this, and this is significant to think about if you won't be having a jeweler polishing it up every so often. My preference is totally personal, but, it is what works for me. My first ER was white gold, I was VERY hard on it, and the ring did not hold up or wear well at all.

And, this brings me to my last concern for you. If you are wearing this ring 24/7 on your working hand, microset diamonds aren't the the most durable choice (which does not mean you will have issues; it is just something to consider). Also, especially if they are UNDER the center stone, the small stones will be more at risk for attracting dirt and gunk and will need more care and cleaning on a regular basis. Microset stones must be cleaned with care.

I have no idea what you do with your hands everyday, or if you may be as hard on your jewelry as I am. If I were in your shoes now, I'd like to think that I'd be "practical"when making my own design decision. Truth is, if I were in your shoes, I probably would not be so practical... hey, this is, in a sense, a dream ring, right? I'd probably "go for it." *SIGH* Your design idea IS fabulous.

Can you swing, or would you be interested in, a compromise?  Your center stone flanked by two smaller sides, like pears maybe, in platinum?

Last thoughts: if you decide on a classic solitaire setting in platinum, you can always have a halo project upgrade to look forward to down the road. Perhaps, as an anniversary gift? Celebration of first child? CDIers are masters at thinking of celebratory reasons to upgrade! We'll help you.  Evil  On the other hand, if you go with the microset white gold, David will always honor your purchase and take care of any issues regarding the ring's upkeep.

You are in good hands either way. Sorry, I've been NO help at all...  Undecided

I can't wait to hear what you decide. Keep in touch!  hello
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« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2010, 07:51:39 AM »

Trinkette has said a lot of how I feel about colored stones being flanked by high colored diamonds.  I like the contrast myself.

My thoughts about white gold are highly favorable.  I had a car door closed on my left hand where my pinky and ring fingers were smashed.  I tried wearing a platinum engagement ring on that hand and it just ached so when the gemstone center cracked, I was quick to switch to white gold.

I personally like the slight warmth the white gold gives off even unplated (I have some vintage unplated pieces) and find it is very strong.  I've had no issues with 14K and above rings and even though I am fairly hard on rings, my 14K gold channel set that I have worn every day for the last 7 years looks wonderful.  

If you are still unsure of what you want, I might suggest just going with simple solitaire in even 14K gold and then decide on a final setting later.  I'm actually doing that right now.

I will say though, that the halo design is fabulous and I think that would make a positively gorgeous design to use for your ring.  I personally would love it and would get it in a heartbeat even in 14K gold without batting an eye.  I think with a brownish stone it would look positively divine!
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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2010, 08:36:54 AM »

I think the halo underneath the center diamond and between each prong is a beautiful setting!  I am allergic to the nickel in white gold, so I can't wear it, but I assume you are not if you are considering it.  As long as you're sure you're not allergic to white gold, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't choose it if it allows you to have the setting you really want.

Here are some pictures of browns with side stones (hearts and rounds), as the others have suggested.  If you like this idea, then I would suggest getting a simple cathedral setting until your budget allows an upgrade.  Happy shopping!

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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2010, 09:50:43 AM »

Thank you for your replies.

Trinkette, thank you for the warm welcome. You're absolutely right about why I'm torn; it's a decision between pretty and practical.  You were very helpful. Smiley

I don't think I'm particularly hard on rings. Although the setting is platinum, I've worn quite a large aquamarine rb (which, as an aside, must have a fantastic cut because it's MUCH sparklier than any other aquamarines I've ever seen) day-in-and-day-out on the middle finger of my left hand since about 2002, and only now is the stone starting to show a little bit of wear. I haven't had it polished since 2001, and the setting has the odd ding, but hasn't developed a proper patina, by any means. I know, I know, I feel guilty about it, especially damaging the stone slightly, but I can't enjoying it if it's in a box, and I do love wearing it. I suppose it'll become a RHR now! Smiley So if I haven't killed this one, maybe a microset ring would survive too?

Speaking of which, how would I go about cleaning a microset ring? I've heard (read?) warnings about not putting them in ultrasonic cleaners (but I can't clean my aquamarine in one anyway), so how do you treat them differently?

I'm feeling sort of sentimental about this ring, clgwli. It's a good idea to keep my options open, and I usually do, but with this particular ring I feel I want it to be the way it's going to stay, if you know what I mean? That car-door accident sounds like a nightmare! Shocked Also, you're right about the warmth of the gold: even though I like the look of the white metal/brown stone contrast, it won't hurt it at all if the gold warms slightly over time.

I'm so glad that the consensus of the halo seems to be positive. I also love the design of the halo.  If money were no object I would get it in platinum in a heartbeat, but, especially with the possibility of the Euro collapsing, now is not the time to stretch the budget.

Mikla, thank you  for the three-stone ring pictures. If I were considering a three-stone ring, the first 'look' might be an option. I haven't seen the picture before, but that centre-stone is gorgeous! I actually bookmarked the second picture, though, in my quest to find a look I liked, although the style is not for me, the centre stone is lovely. I'm not ruling out a proper halo ring or a three stone ring a few years in the future, but for this ring I am sure I would like the look of a solitaire.
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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2010, 09:55:14 AM »

Hi Atlantys, welcome to CDI and congratulations on your engagement.

'So here comes my dilemma. With our budget, we have to make a decision about either doing the ring with the halo in 14kt white gold, or putting the stone into a plain cathedral solitaire setting in platinum. From the top, both designs will look very similar, but from an angle or from the side, the halo will come into play. David has given me a deadline in a week to make up my mind, so I really need your help, quick!"

I prefer your idea in white gold with the halo draped as a ribbon.  I think it is gorgeous, and would be one of those unexpected sparkles every time you moved your hand.  That design against a brown diamond would be stunning.

If you find that you are frequently returning the ring for repairs to the halo, you could change the head to an all metal design for a very low cost.  But unless you really bang your rings on innate objects, I don't think you will have a problem.
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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2010, 12:07:02 PM »

Hi all,

This is going to be a long one, so bear with me and the saga, please? Smiley

I've been a lurker here for months, avidly absorbing everything I can, and soaking up more beautiful stones and jewellery than I've ever seen! This place is addictive as well as a very good education!  Grin  So, it was time to make an appearance and ask you a question. You've all given such great advice to newbies before, and I was really hoping that, with all your experience with jewellery and coloured diamonds, you'd be able to help us make a decision about my engagement / wedding ring (I will only be wearing this one on that hand, even after the wedding).

After seeing all the beautiful and unusual diamonds here, I knew I had to have a DBL stone. David has found us a beautiful coppery brown round brilliant for the centre stone, and now we have to decide how to set it. Although with being on here for a while, halo settings are really beginning to grow on me, I still personally don't like the look of one with a round stone, although I do love the contrast of the white diamonds against a nice rich-coloured stone like ours will be.

So, to solve this problem, my engineer fiancé has suggested a halo underneath the stone rather than around it, tilted or at an angle, so that it is there, but doesn't change the fact that from the top the ring looks like a solitaire. David called it something specific, but, for the life of me, I can't remember what he said. (I've tried to attach a photo of something similar we've found. I hope it comes out.) It shows the type of halo we're thinking of, although the rest of this setting is a lot more detailed than what we want: our shank will be plain.

So here comes my dilemma. With our budget, we have to make a decision about either doing the ring with the halo in 14kt white gold, or putting the stone into a plain cathedral solitaire setting in platinum. From the top, both designs will look very similar, but from an angle or from the side, the halo will come into play. David has given me a deadline in a week to make up my mind, so I really need your help, quick! Cheesy

What do you think? I'm not attached to the look of either metal; I've worn and loved both. I did have a slight concern about white gold yellowing over time, but David assured me last night that it's nothing to worry about with a DBL ring. Now I'm worried about durability, as this is a ring I'm going to wear every day for a long time, and I am left-handed, so my rings on that hand could be slightly more at risk, although of course I take them off when doing anything really heavy.

So on the one hand (excuse the bad pun; I couldn't think of another way of putting it) I think platinum would be better. On the other, I think the halo would be really beautiful. What do you think?

Did I say a week?
I meant 7 minutes!!

KIDDING!!!

Seriously, please take your time- in this case there's no deadline imposed by us.....but I'll bet you want the ring sooner rather than later.


I am so happy you've posted - and so proud of the amazing advice given by some really smart people!!
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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2010, 12:17:30 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2010, 12:25:01 PM »

I think it is gorgeous, and would be one of those unexpected sparkles every time you moved your hand.

Ooh, good point!  Evil I don't think I'm going to need much more persuasion.  laugh
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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2010, 12:27:21 PM »


Seriously, please take your time- in this case there's no deadline imposed by us.....but I'll bet you want the ring sooner rather than later.


I am so happy you've posted - and so proud of the amazing advice given by some really smart people!!

Thanks, David. Smiley That takes the pressure off a bit. I'm sure I will be able to make this decision within a week. I just need to make sure I'm absolutely certain before this becomes 'real'. It's going to be around for a long time.

And the advice is great. Thank you all for taking the time to put my mind at ease.
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« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2010, 12:30:37 PM »

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« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2010, 12:43:19 PM »

Hi there and welcome
You might hate this idea and I couldn`t find a pic of exactly what I mean.
I know someone who didn`t want an ER followed a wedding ring, she simply wanted one ring which would do both and left her emerald cut diamond looking like a solitaire but also played the part of a wedding band too.
This picture gives you a rough idea and the one my friend wears looks really lovely in the flesh but is more curvacious than the one in the pic.
Maybe you could stretch the budget just a little bit and get something similar to this in platinum but still have a few small diamonds in it too
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« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2010, 12:59:09 PM »

I'm feeling sort of sentimental about this ring, clgwli. It's a good idea to keep my options open, and I usually do, but with this particular ring I feel I want it to be the way it's going to stay, if you know what I mean? That car-door accident sounds like a nightmare! Shocked Also, you're right about the warmth of the gold: even though I like the look of the white metal/brown stone contrast, it won't hurt it at all if the gold warms slightly over time.

I'm so glad that the consensus of the halo seems to be positive. I also love the design of the halo.  If money were no object I would get it in platinum in a heartbeat, but, especially with the possibility of the Euro collapsing, now is not the time to stretch the budget.
I understand about being sentimental over the ring.  I am very sentimental about things myself in general and totally understand not wanting to switch later.   I really think that halo will look wonderful though and I like the idea that your DF came up with that for you.  I would love to see pictures of whatever you decide on though.

The hand thing was just a freind of mine not paying attention and closing a door.  And the door was locked (before remote locks were popular) so it took them a few to get the door open.  Doctors told me I would most likely develop injury related arthritis which isn't fun especially since I was 17 when it happened.  I guess the lucky thing is gold is cheaper than platinum now so I do save money buying rings for that hand  Grin
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« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2010, 01:32:09 PM »

Hi, Atlantys!  I have absolutely nothing of value to add aside from congratulations to you and your beau on you upcoming nuptuals, and also congratulations on deciding to use DBL as your jeweler.

Better heads than mine have already given you opinions mine could only echo; but for the record, +1 on the white gold with the halo.  It is a beautiful idea, especially with a colored center diamond.  DBL makes very sturdy pieces, if you are worried about a melee.  Well, I'm not sure sturdy is the word - but they seem to wear extrememly well over time.   I haven't had any issues with any of my little projects., including my own little halo.  I clean her with an electric toothbrush.  Grin

Oh, yeah - and welcome aboard.  It's good to have you you out of lurkdom.  We will all enjoy following your project! 
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« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2010, 02:23:53 PM »

I have ideas about this, but I have a sleeping baby on my lap and am fully planning on taking advantage of this nap to get one myself.   Smiley  I will be back in a bit.

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« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2010, 06:36:38 PM »

Hi Atlantys, welcome!

I'll answer the easy question first. You don't need to have multiple posts. You can quote the first post using the "quote" button, then use the "Insert Quote" link (small type in orange/brown) above each post in the Topic Summary frame. Hope this makes sense; if not let me know and I'll post with a few screen shots.

The other question is also simple for me. Platinum. Get some nice metal work, possibly a pair of "surprise" stones on the basket sides, but don't overcomplicate things (and I really like the much more substantial feeling of platinum).
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« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2010, 06:43:05 PM »

I have to say that what I wanted in my 20s is not what I want today. I don't know which one really. But I thought I'd throw that out there. Both are great ideas.

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« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2010, 08:18:55 PM »

Hi and welcome!

Just wanted to add a vote for the halo!  I have several DBL pieces in white gold and not one has even a hint of yellowing!  I am a lefty too, and all of my DBL rings are in excellent conditions, even though I am quite rough with them.

Cannot wait to see your final choice!
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« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2010, 03:46:46 AM »

Thank you all for the warm welcome. Smiley I do feel that getting both sides of the picture is helping me weigh both sides sensibly.

Awestruck, the idea is an interesting one, but I think I'm happy with a stand-alone ring for the moment. In my partner's culture only one ring is worn: a plain gold wedding band. So, we're sort of incorporating both his and mine by having only one ring, but an 'engagement-type' one. And then, as was suggested earlier Wink, I'm quite certain I can come up with reasons for other jewellery in a few years.

Annie, I'd really like to hear those ideas when you have the time. A little one in the house means time is a very precious commodity though, I know.

I would have introduced myself sooner, ah2bqat, but I feel like a very small fish swimming in a very big pond! Grin This is likely to be our only 'big' jewellery purchase for a while as things like car payments and mortgages get in the way. And there are some exceptionally beautiful pieces, stones and collections here. So if you're happy to just have me admiring them from the sidelines, then I'm happy to stay. Smiley

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« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2010, 07:42:42 AM »

Atlantys, just curious what culture is your DF a part of?  I am always fascinated with the different traditions of some cultures. 

Oh and I wouldn't worry about posting from the sidelines so to speak.  I didn't even think I would be purchasing from David anytime soon and everyone made me feel very welcome here.  I have to say I appreciate a group like this a lot!
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« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2010, 08:04:11 AM »

Thanks, clgwli. I feel very welcomed already.

He's Transylvanian. Although the Transylvanians are very proud of their unique culture, the majority of them (especially where DF is from) speak Hungarian and have more in common with the Hungarians than the rest of Romania.

In fact, my future mother-in-law has lived in Romania all her life and can count on one hand the number of Romanian words she knows! DF only learned Romanian when he had to write university exams in it, and then had to learn English from scratch when it came to his Post-Grad. I don't think I could have done that! Shocked
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« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2010, 08:52:27 AM »

Mikla, thank you  for the three-stone ring pictures. If I were considering a three-stone ring, the first 'look' might be an option. I haven't seen the picture before, but that centre-stone is gorgeous! I actually bookmarked the second picture, though, in my quest to find a look I liked, although the style is not for me, the centre stone is lovely. I'm not ruling out a proper halo ring or a three stone ring a few years in the future, but for this ring I am sure I would like the look of a solitaire.

You may have noticed that the first 3-stone ring I attached in my earlier post has the center set in yellow gold, while the second ring (obviously) has the stone set in white metal.  I thought I'd point that out to you because the yellow prongs (as well as pink gold) really have an impact on brown stones and can be used with white gold even in the halo setting that you are considering.  

Here are some rings with brown diamonds set in pink gold sold awhile ago to give you an idea of how browns look set in rose gold.  And a third photo of a brown set in white (because I love it).  Like you needed something else to think about, right?   Grin

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« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2010, 04:42:24 AM »

Hi Mikla,

Thanks for those pictures. One can never have too many beautiful stones to look at, or too many jewellery decisions to make, I'm beginning to see! This process is a lot of fun. Grin

I had already been thinking about gold colour, and told David that I know he 'usually' sets brown stones in pink gold, but I think I like the contrast of a brown diamond with white metal. He said he likes the look too, and that it would look particularly good against such a dark stone as ours. So white it is! Cheesy

Isn't the ring in the last picture R3347? Couldn't be any other! She's a real beauty. faintthud When I saw it here, and DF saw the expression on my face, he fired off an inquiry to David before it was even listed. We both knew it would be way out of our budget, but sometimes you just have to ask anyway, you know? angel After seeing this gorgeous ring, it concretised for me that I was sure I wanted a brown solitaire (I've see-sawed between what I think is beautiful and what I know an engagement ring 'should be'. It somehow feels "risky" to choose a deep brown as a centre stone. I really love the look, but god only knows what people, especially my traditional grandmother, are going to say!)

So, funnily enough, it was R3347 that the basis of our design comes from, obviously being heavily modified for our budget. That's where the idea of the 'underhalo' comes from, but ours will be tilted (if we do it, of course Wink ) so that there's only one side to microset. We need to discuss with David if we're putting the halo behind the prongs (like here) or between them (like my example above) so if any of you want to weigh in on that, please feel free!

I still love the double claw prongs too (they're in the original sketches), but they would be more difficult to make. However, I managed to get David to agree to modifying round prongs into nice long thin single claws for me, so I'm excited about that. And DF doesn't like the look of pavé (I intend working on him about that for the next ring), so our shank will be plain too.
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« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2010, 07:54:39 AM »

R3347 is gorgeous, and honestly I like the way that halo looks there even more than the Tacori halo.  I also love the double prongs.  So for me I would take as much from the DBL ring as possible and put it into yours.

I've looked at a ton of settings in the last year or so and while I find Tacori's looks to be nice, I really like the settings I've seen at DBL better.  Not saying that Tacori's designs are bad, there is just something always off about them in my eyes (maybe only) that I don't care for.

So I would take the DBL ring all the way (even with a totally plain shank)

And thanks for sharing about your husband.  I admit that is one culture I know very little about.  Where I went to school and church now has a huge international population.  Every year we have an international festival where people share about their cultures and way of life.  Regionally closest I get with friends is from the Ukraine and Turkey.

It's really neat to know the differences that cultures have with the wedding ring traditions.  I know some cultures it is normal to wear the wedding ring on the right hand even which always throws me off living here.  Two friends of mine from totally different regions of the world both wear their engagement ring closest first and then the wedding ring on top of it.  That's just how they do it there since there is no removing of the engagement ring.  And it is seen as a negative if they switch it.

Anyway good luck deciding on this ring.  I cannot wait to see the pictures of it when you are done Smiley
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« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2010, 08:36:54 AM »

I have to ask, have you thought of using almost the exact head for R3347?  I was just looking at it more and thought how so very subtle the look is.  I can hardly tell there is a halo there, but at some angles it is just beautiful.

Just had to ask Smiley
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